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Old 07-05-2014, 06:55   #181
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?

I think if the design trend keeps on the same track, then not to far down the road the charter cats will basically be barges with masts. But hey, they will surely be comfortable!


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Old 07-05-2014, 07:13   #182
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I think if the design trend keeps on the same track, then not to far down the road the charter cats will basically be barges with masts. But hey, they will surely be comfortable!


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Didnt island packet try that?

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Old 07-05-2014, 07:22   #183
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The overwhelming majority that change for a cat (I am talking about new boats) change to a condo cat. You have just to compare the number of sales of condo cats with the ones of true performance multihulls: A small percentage.
Examples, pretty please?
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Old 07-05-2014, 07:32   #184
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Didnt island packet try that?

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The IPs always confused me. I was not sure if they were trimarans if you looked at the bows or catamarans if you looked at the stern.
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Examples, pretty please?
I am not sure if we are limiting this to what I will call blue water cruising boats or excluding day sailers. But I would guess Hobie cats sales are huge compared to condomarans. Almost certain the Fboats and Corsairs sell more than the condomarans. Of course true fast blue water boats like Gunboats, TAGs, and Outremers are far fewer than condomarans. I am not sure Geminis are condomarans or not but they are certainly not high performance boats and they may be the most popular (by number sold) sorta cruising cats.

Back in the 70s right after I got my undergrad degree I was involved in a group build of two Norm Cross tris, a 24 and a 32. The 24 was a quick sheet plywood build and the 32 was glass core. I don't recall seeing any other multihulls around Tampa Bay at the time if you ignore the Hobies.

Not it is common to see Fboats running away from everything in most places where sailing is popular. Again ignoring Hobie Farrier is probably the guy that made multihulls popular for the non beach cat crowd. Once you have been on an Fboat it is hard for me to imagine going back to a monohull. All of Farriers designs under 32 feet are easy to set up and take down and trailer, and more importantly easy and stupid fun to sail. They have a light tiller and are almost always the fastest boat in the harbor. I doubt any Hobie or Fboat guy would go back to a monohull.

There are some reasons to like monohulls in certain situations. Rounding the two great capes is one. But realistically how many of us are going to do that.

The reason multihulls are so popular is that they tend to be significantly faster than similar monohulls, have more room than similar monohulls, and are easier to sail than similar monohulls. Many cats have twin screws which makes low speed driving easier than a single screw monohull. The biggest downside to multihulls is the price.
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Old 07-05-2014, 08:10   #186
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I wonder if Peter Johnstone, founder of J-Boats and the Gunboat will ever go back to monos?


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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?

Actually there is the Johnstone Clan here in the North East.
Peter Johnstone founded Gunboat and I doubt very seriously he would ever go back to a cruising monohull but would not be surprised to find him on a racing monohull from time to time when he is not racing the Gunboats. However I am sure he should speak for himself.
On the other hand J-Boats was formed by Rod (the designer) and Bob (Marketing) Johnstone with the J-24. The rest is history.
Rod continues to actively race the J-70 but I have not heard anything about Bob recently.
There are many other Johnston's in the sailing world which do not need to be mentioned.
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?

We're doing a lot of comparing apples with hand grenades, which is a complete waste of ink.

Light monos and light multies, skillfully crewed, can fly. Fun stuff.

Big fat cruising monos and multies poke along at hull speed. People will pay more for something they can really live in. Yeah, I used to cruise for weeks in a 1200-pound 27-foot cat; great fun and fast as hell, but more like camping than what most consider cruising.

I've had both. Depends on what you want.

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But if your going to compare it needs to be one of the following...
  • equal money
  • equal LOA
  • equal accommodation
  • equal ease of sailing, either physically or mentally
  • equal draft, both sailing and boards-up
  • equal slip cost (this can go either way--shallow slips for cats can be dirt cheap)
And thus will be 6 very different conversations.
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came upon this transatlantic veteran a few weeks ago....
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came upon this transatlantic veteran a few weeks ago....
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Old 07-05-2014, 09:29   #192
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?

Let me rephrase the question:

What brands or models constitute as a performance cat? (this in contrast to a condo…and excluding tri's).
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The ones that infer Multihullers need a raft coz they've no sense of balance..??

I think it's pretty obvious which crowd spends the most time on an even keel.
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That is weird!!! Are you saying that one is not entitled to find any boat ugly? You know, all boats are always someone else's boat

and I find this odd:



The displacement of a boat is equal to the weight of the water it displaces. Can you explain how can a boat weight less than the water he displaces? You got me confused here.
First, yes, of course you're "entitled" to "find" anything you like as far as I'm concerned. The world is full of entitlement these days. You can find someones mother, daughter, girlfriend or wife ugly. Would you agree it's rude to publish that opinion? Rude, and in many cases stupid. And you will deserve whatever you get for that.

Second, to make it more clear...go find a monohull and a catamaran. Disconnect all the through hull fitting hoses below the waterline. Check on them them the next day and then tell us what you found.
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