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Old 28-05-2010, 13:36   #31
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So far, my opinion hasn't changed by the feedback.

The Safety MSDS should be carefully weighed as it is put out by West who has an obligation to make a profit.

So, I would think twice about opening that Acetone can and taking a whiff to see if it is stale and out of date...and then pouring it on your hands to take off the varnish you accidentally got on there.

...and we should consider more "organic" boating practices:

- stay away from poly-u or any other varnishes in your interior.
- make sure there is always good ventilation below in the cabin.
- contain diesel fumes as much as possible in a well secured area of the boat away from the cabin area...and make sure it is well ventilated.
- use a 3 stage water filter on tanks
- avoid docks if possible. use moorings away from stagnating carcinogenic bipolarhydroxly-monooxide close to shore.
- keep bilges as clean as possible so no bacteria or viruses live there.
- give up strange rum.

and out of this list...they seem to be all related to boating

Growing older - boating
Tobacco - boating
Sunlight - boating
Ionizing radiation - boating next to a nuke sub
Certain chemicals and other substances - boating repairs
Some viruses and bacteria - boating in strange countries and bilge water
Certain hormones - boating near a nude beach
Family history of cancer - boating - ALL
Alcohol - boating parties
Poor diet, lack of physical activity, or being overweight - most boat owners on this forum.
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Old 28-05-2010, 14:10   #32
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We aren't entirely helpless in the face of this list.

- Growing older - can't help that!
- Tobacco - Quit!; don't hang out with smokers
- Sunlight - cover up: hat, long sleeves, gloves, sunglasses (you can't strip for the photo ops)
- Ionizing radiation - get as few X-rays as possible; don't fly in jets or live in Colorado
- Certain chemicals and other substances - read the MSDS; check with NIH; don't inhale asbestos
- Some viruses and bacteria - these are very rare; don't worry about them
- Certain hormones - are you exposed to estrogen? 50% of us can't help it.
- Family history of cancer - can't help that!
- Alcohol - moderation
- Poor diet, lack of physical activity, or being overweight - OK, we all know what to do about this!

Mostly cancer is a crap shoot. Throw the dice often enough (grow old) you will likely get snake eyes eventually. I can't believe cruising is any more dangerous in this respect that many other lifestyles (including nudism - what's up with that! ).
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Old 28-05-2010, 16:37   #33
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I can't believe this thread. USA has a rep. for massive overconsumption of prescription and non-prescription crap, and Aus is following fast.

STOP watching sensationalist tv shows, or reading papers and magazines that rely on frightening the brainless masses to flog products we don't need.

We all have the basic awareness we need. Just use commonsense, fresh air, good ventilation, clean water, and stop worrying.

For all the hypers on this thread (not the same as all the posters), get a 9" hunk of organically grown timber, carve a hull shape, hop into the bath and play with it... because that's about the extent of carefree boating you can enjoy... but be aware of the risks... extreme boredom, prune skin, and that damned plug hole is gonna get you if the plug comes out!
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Old 28-05-2010, 17:01   #34
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Oh my VirtualVagabond! Such an emotional response! For shame, shame!

Oh well, I guess that lack of credible opinion is understandable in that Australia isn't the exemplar of best healthy practices given it's the melanoma capital of the world.

Yes, boats cause cancer, I'm afraid...and we must all make an effort to conduct boating experiences in an "organic" way as best we might.

So, rip out that head with all the carcinogenic head chemicals, and put in a composting toilet with some nice organic peat, and lets eat some prunes and go sailing!
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Hi Salty,

We sure do have a problem with hot sun and fair skins here. But that's part of the basic awareness we all have, that I was referring to.
A commonsense approach is all I'm advocating, such as keeping covered from the midday sun, but if skinny dipping in the early morning or late afternoon is your thing, it is safe to do it.

Same with diet and exercise. We know the basics, and that really is all we need. Stress and anxiety and their impact on our immune systems are the real villans.

The benefits of going cruising and getting away from all the stresses and artificailly induced fears of our 'civilized' society, together with the commonsense approach, will more than offset the occassional carcinogen that wafts by.

There is a lot of wisdom in "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine... etc" Psalms something or other... I think :-/
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Old 28-05-2010, 18:27   #36
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Naw...I think we DO have a lot to worry about with plastic crappy boats and engines and what not. Ahhh the good old days when boats were made of wood, flax, and other natural materials...and a tin bucket for a head...now that was a healthy sort of sail....as long as you didn't get a splinter on the ol arse.

But...beyond the fun-tastic posts here...a little bit of truth in that there is a lot we can do to eliminate the unhealthy aspects of boating and return to that kind of naturalistic precedent and stay healthy.
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a little bit of truth in that there is a lot we can do to eliminate the unhealthy aspects of boating and return to that kind of naturalistic precedent and stay healthy.
You mean like an average lifespan of 40 or so?
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Old 28-05-2010, 19:00   #38
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You mean like an average lifespan of 40 or so?
You can thank modern agriculture for that...and perhaps pewter.

Now shut up and eat your prunes
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Naw...I think we DO have a lot to worry about with plastic crappy boats and engines and what not. Ahhh the good old days when boats were made of wood, flax, and other natural materials...and a tin bucket for a head...now that was a healthy sort of sail....as long as you didn't get a splinter on the ol arse.
Wood and other fiber-ous materials are not as safe as you think! Or that tin (which has been banned) bucket.

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Old 28-05-2010, 20:26   #40
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Hmmm interesting...teak, mahogany, and red cedar/red oak. Teak as we know is everywhere. Mahogany - haven't seen any of that recently. Red cedar or oak? No white cedar or white oak is choice. Some other boat woods in there but usually not choice.
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So far, my opinion hasn't changed by the feedback.

The Safety MSDS should be carefully weighed as it is put out by West who has an obligation to make a profit.

So, I would think twice about opening that Acetone can and taking a whiff to see if it is stale and out of date...and then pouring it on your hands to take off the varnish you accidentally got on there.

...and we should consider more "organic" boating practices:

- stay away from poly-u or any other varnishes in your interior.
- make sure there is always good ventilation below in the cabin.
- contain diesel fumes as much as possible in a well secured area of the boat away from the cabin area...and make sure it is well ventilated.
- use a 3 stage water filter on tanks
- avoid docks if possible. use moorings away from stagnating carcinogenic bipolarhydroxly-monooxide close to shore.
- keep bilges as clean as possible so no bacteria or viruses live there.
- give up strange rum.

and out of this list...they seem to be all related to boating

Growing older - boating
Tobacco - boating
Sunlight - boating
Ionizing radiation - boating next to a nuke sub
Certain chemicals and other substances - boating repairs
Some viruses and bacteria - boating in strange countries and bilge water
Certain hormones - boating near a nude beach
Family history of cancer - boating - ALL
Alcohol - boating parties
Poor diet, lack of physical activity, or being overweight - most boat owners on this forum.
Well... I've been round boats for yonks..
anti fouling, sitting under em sanding/grinding them without a mask for months on end in boatyards, living on them.. plastic, cement and wood... I started smoking aged 5 and smoke 40/day roll-ups, enjoy alcohol of all types except meths.. don't like the orange juice you need to mix to kill the oily texture.. so stick to Tequila.. eat at street stalls in Asia and the Caribbean...
I wear as little as possible in the sun regardless of time of day.. don't wear PDF's or harness's or carry a liferaft...
been trying to kill myself like this for years...
what am I doing wrong...


Oh.. nearly forgot... why did you say you were looking for a boat...???
I've forgotten....
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Well... I've been round boats for yonks..
anti fouling, sitting under em sanding/grinding them without a mask for months on end in boatyards, living on them.. plastic, cement and wood... I started smoking aged 5 and smoke 40/day roll-ups, enjoy alcohol of all types except meths.. don't like the orange juice you need to mix to kill the oily texture.. so stick to Tequila.. eat at street stalls in Asia and the Caribbean...
I wear as little as possible in the sun regardless of time of day.. don't wear PDF's or harness's or carry a liferaft...
been trying to kill myself like this for years...
what am I doing wrong...
It's the Tequila. It's so full of goodness that it conteracts the rest. Of course that is only true of 100% agave. If you're drinking the other stuff then I guess you just have bad luck.
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Can't be down to LUCK Hummingway.... according to a thread there's no such thing....
I reckon the virus's and bacteria are dying of smoke and antifoul pollution and the cancer cells are too smashed to get up and do anything... and as for AlsHymer.... he's taken it on a camping trip..
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Well... I've been round boats for yonks..
anti fouling, sitting under em sanding/grinding them without a mask for months on end in boatyards, living on them.. plastic, cement and wood... I started smoking aged 5 and smoke 40/day roll-ups, enjoy alcohol of all types except meths.. don't like the orange juice you need to mix to kill the oily texture.. so stick to Tequila.. eat at street stalls in Asia and the Caribbean...
I wear as little as possible in the sun regardless of time of day.. don't wear PDF's or harness's or carry a liferaft...
been trying to kill myself like this for years...
what am I doing wrong...


Oh.. nearly forgot... why did you say you were looking for a boat...???
I've forgotten....

LOL Boatman.......Your already dead...you just haven't gotten the memo yet..
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