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Old 14-09-2011, 05:37   #1
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Disparate News Items on Arctic

On other boards there is discussion about these two, seemingly related, news items. Does anyone here have anything additional to share? If only to validate/invalidate the sources. The information available is maddening little.

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Commercial shipping through the Northeast Passage over the last couple weeks has reported the seas bubbling as if they were boiling. Their observations have been reported to the science ministry who have sent scientists to investigate.
Russian, U.S. scientists set to study methane release in Arctic | Science | RIA Novosti

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VLADIVOSTOK, September 2 (RIA Novosti)

A group of Russian and U.S. scientists will leave the port of Vladivostok on Friday on board a Russian research ship to study methane emissions in the eastern part of the Arctic.

"This expedition was organized on a short notice by the Russian Fund of Fundamental Research and the U.S. National Science Foundation following the discovery of a dramatic increase in the leakage of methane gas from the seabed in the eastern part of the Arctic, said Professor Igor Semiletov, the head of the expedition.
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Old 14-09-2011, 05:40   #2
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Been happening in the 'Bermuda Triangle' for centuries...
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Old 14-09-2011, 05:42   #3
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Re: Disparate news items on Arctic

I have been helping a couple boats thru the NWP, and all I can add is that its the lowest ice extend on history, just beating 2007 which was the prior record. The passage was essentially ice free for a month.

I would not be surprised at all to hear people seeing things thawing and bubbling away.
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Re: Disparate news items on Arctic

How can these news items be considered 'disparate'? They seem to me to be discussing the same topic, boiling methane.

Probably just the Russians positioning themselves to take control of the Arctic Shelf.
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Re: Disparate News Items on Arctic

From the National Science Foundation:

nsf.gov - National Science Foundation (NSF) News - Methane Releases From Arctic Shelf May Be Much Larger and Faster Than Anticipated - US National Science Foundation (NSF)

nsf.gov - National Science Foundation (NSF) News - Questions and Answers on Potentially Large Methane Releases From Arctic, and Climate Change - US National Science Foundation (NSF)
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The planet is cutting the cheese, because we fed it nachos, perhaps.

Clathrate gun hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Re: Disparate News Items on Arctic

Certainly interesting. Some years ago I saw a program on TV where the hypothesis was that a previous instance of global warming - some millions of years ago - triggered a major release of methane hydrate which then caused a rapid feedback loop that triggered a significant extinction event. They went through a lot of evidence in the geological record - mud and ice cores to support the hypothesis. It was an interesting program but I have not seen any follow up.

I figure that it was not politically correct in that there were no humans to blame - so no new taxes to levy or money to be made. And the fact that it happened before, and we are here today, means that there is no sexy doomsday scenario to tout. I suspect that the climate continues to change - it always has. I have tried to reduce my 'carbon footprint' with reasonable actions but as I age, my 'methane footprint' continues to increase. 30 times worst than CO2, but there seems little one can do to stop it. At least with large scale methane production, there is the possibility that one can burn it and scale back the impact somewhat. Still, there is a silver lining for the cruising community - a rising sea level lifts all boats.
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Re: Disparate News Items on Arctic

From what I have read about Methane bubbling to the surface on the Ocean.

You lose all Displacement, In other words you and your boat will sink in it if you sail through the Bubbles,

Not about to try it, I dont even know if it is true,

But I bet this will start a lot of controversy, Hahahahahahaha
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Re: Disparate News Items on Arctic

IIRC many years ago I saw a TV documentary which had video of an (Black Sea??) oil rig that triggered a methane release which caused it to sink due to loss of buoyancy.

Some postulate that such 'burps' can cause a ship to 'disappear' with no warning or time to send out an SOS.

The thing with the Arctic is a bit different mechanism.

What I am trying to tease out is this, is this news report credible and if so is this a new phenomenon?

I have read a fair amount on Arctic exploration without hearing any such reports. However, it is something that is unique to the Russian areas and I have read much less about that specific area. None-the-less, you would think that such a phenomenon would be more widely known if it existed in history.

Then again, Bob Bartlett had to convince the scientists on the Karluck that you could get fresh water from ice flows, and that was in 1916.
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Re: Disparate News Items on Arctic

Yes, the sea ice is at/near the minimum since they started recording it in 1978. Of course, this is right after they wanted to put coal dust on the icecap to keep us from going into an iceage, in 1975: http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf If you read that article from 35 years ago, you have to laugh. Wonder what we will be saying 35 years from now?
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Probably "I'll kill you for that water, man, just see if I don't".

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The Discovery Channel Replicated a gas release with a model and a full sized vessel......Sceery Stuff
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