Originally Posted by Chuck Baier
Ex-Calif, Could be part of the reason why the harbors in your part of the world are some of the most polluted on the planet. <snip>
How about if I come over and drop my sewage on your lawn. I mean, the dogs
, cats and birds do so what would be the harm.
Asia has atrocious environmental track records for sure. Hong Kong
Harbor etc. All bad. I remember a quote from Mahathir (ex-Malaysia PM) about logging. "You rich countries already have your money
. You got it by raping your environments. We will continue logging until we are prosperous." Hmmm....
You can do your business on my lawn as long as it covers 7/8s of my living space. i.e. the ocean is big, really big.
Originally Posted by Aquah0lic
I have a distaste for bandwagon environment
groupies who champion a cause founded on propaganda and misrepresented facts just so they can have a reason to like themselves. <snip>
Mother Earth does not need to be pampered by us insignifigent humans. She could take our worst and never break stride. <snip>
Corporations do the most polluting. Let's look at a company that makes... holding tanks! How much pollution and toxins are being spewed onto the Earth so we can feel good about not crapping in the ocean?
Let's not label people or one of my moderator peers will kill this thread. It's about done anyway I guess...
I agree that protecting the earth is really abobut protecting the species. The earth has been covered with lava, covered with ice, covered with gasses. The earth will be fine. Screwing up gets rid of us and mother earth could shake us off like a bad cases of fleas...
I don't buy the "they pollute more so it's ok for me to pollute less" theory. I do wonder about the pollutants used in making a plastic holding tank
vs. the pollutants dropped off shore from human waste. I'd vote for the human waste...
Originally Posted by richardhula
Come on tree-huggers, stop quoting impractical rules and bad reporting in journals and start getting real. There is an awful lot of ocean out there.
Let's not call names. It never ends nicely...
Originally Posted by rtbates
You don't?? IF humans ate only what fishes do, yea. BUT we don't. The history
of human deseases caused by waste prior to proper handling of said is well documented.
Contrary to cburgers post below, I am a believer in dilution. Plagues and all kinds of disease are exacerbated by waste. That's why we invented sewerage systems to carry it away from the populations.
Originally Posted by cburger
Man Bruce you are so correct! At the risk of sounding sanctimonious I want to preface my remarks by saying that I have spent the last 27+ years as a water and wastewater treatment professional. <snip>
o Now the bad news. Of the original 200 hundred known chemicals addressed by the "Clean Water Act" we are only doing a fair job of removing these from our waterways.
Water is a scarce and precious resource that people, generally from places where it is abundant use and abuse. 70 percent of the worlds "Available" fresh water is in North America. What is the rest of the world going to do as the population continues to explode, (Water wars).
The theory that we can continue to dump our sewerage and garbage into the water and the tides and currents are magically going to take care of it is called "Dilution" and has been shown very clearly to be bunk.
The number one stressor of the world’s environment is over population.
Thanks for weighing in with a professional opinion.
I know the chemical issue is also critical but your post talks a lot about the corporations and the chemicals. This is a human waste discussion. The reason America prospered in part was because we have huge waterways in which to build town and villages, and a place to dump our waste as well. We really found out what a bad idea that was in recent years. I applaud the society as a whole for realizing their errors and cleaning
up a lot of the damage done.
Water is not scarce - fresh water is scarce. Eventually we will be desalinating an a huge scale with nuclear power for fuel
. It is inevitable.
Water will get expensive but that's OK becasue we won't be wasting our money
on fossil fuels because they will all be gone too.
Dilution - I'll leave my opinion in this thread with this. I am a believer in dilution. Don't dump in enclosed spots, understand tides, dump at sea, don't dump in shallow anchorages
or on small lakes and harbors.
Overpopulation, or overconcentration of population is really the problem. So who gets to stay? Obviously an unsolvable problem on its face.
I am here in Bali. I must say Kuta beach is a complete toilet. My son and I walked the beach at low tide and there were literally thousands and thousands of dead fish
along the coast lilne along with a ton or more of plastic and every other kind of human waste. Out of control and an example of what happens with no rules and no enforcement.
Now having said that, we did swim and Josh learned to surf. We aren't dead but it wasn't beautiful...
Originally Posted by bstreep
I just love how tree-huggers can justify their position with inane "facts" like this.
No name calling please....
Originally Posted by MidLandOne
Many around seem to be frightened to drink rainwater, municipal water, water out of tanks
, etc - perhaps they think its all pooped in
Where I grew up in Oz our only water was collected rainwater in tanks
. When the tanks got low in late summer we go in the tanks ond go frogging. This was untreated flushed off the dirty roof rainwater. None of us died... Go figure...
Originally Posted by Chuck Baier
I think those that have chosen the irresponsible route
when it comes to handling sewage on board their boats have made themselves known and their beliefs and practices are not going to chance. The rest of us will do the right thing ourselves but we are not going to change them. we can only hope we don't wind
up in the same harbor they frequent.
I still think it's about common sense. Some places you know won't flush because of lack of currents. If it is crowded with lot's of boats then the concentrations of fecal matter could be a problem. If it is not so crowded then maybe not.
I must say that even in crowded marinas
like sebana cove here I hear people flush out but have never seen a Baby Ruth. I also wouldn't swim in the marina if I could avoid it but I would if I needed to do something on the boat.
I have faith that the cruisers I meet are pretty low impact, aware people. I think the issue is the casual boater but again from an American perspective with the huge number of watercraft in the US it is more understandable than say Australia
or other countries with relatively fewer boats per coastline mile.