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Old 21-02-2015, 16:31   #121
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Re: Difference Between Coastal And Blue Water Cruising

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Oddly enough, many of the boat brands that regularly get bashed here have boats in Class A, and those are the types of boats I was primarily referring to. I wasn't suggesting that someone start with a boat that's completely not up to the task.
I'm not entirely sure if the classes ya all referring to are an international rating, but if it's the same as the classes needed for entry into the Sydney to Hobart and other blue water classics, then for crushing I think it's entirely unwarranted.

Good principles for cruising, yes, but certainly not worthy of the expense.

When making these classes, at least in Australia, they are aimed to a certain extent of alleviating a duty of care the clubs and organising organisations have for the entire racing fleet. It's simply not always necessary for a family wanting to cruise the world who won't ordinarily intentionally head out in bad weather.

just my thoughts anyway. It would certainly be cheaper for me to purchase a new modern boat than to even try to bring my vessel up to the highest category. Many boats it wouldn't even be possible.
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Old 21-02-2015, 16:32   #122
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They're not old enough to be that subtle, and they're young enough not to have any clue about food preparation underway.
Never watched Junior Masterchef..??
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I doubt that they're staging acts simply to be entertaining. They're not old enough to be that subtle, and they're young enough not to have any clue about food preparation underway.
Oh come on old man. the sandwich bit was clearly staged. She's not even blonde.

Watching some of the other video's (which I'm now subscribed to ) there are clearly some staged acts.
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Oddly enough, many of the boat brands that regularly get bashed here have boats in Class A, and those are the types of boats I was primarily referring to. I wasn't suggesting that someone start with a boat that's completely not up to the task.
The problem with the EU Class A rating is the wide interpretation one can make about the term "abnormal conditions." While a Class A boat must be "designed for extended voyages where conditions may exceed wind force 8 (Beaufort scale) and significant wave heights of 4 m and above" the criteria a manufacturer must meet to qualify for Class A certification excludes "abnormal conditions." The Directive does not define that term.

Some people say anything over a gale is abnormal, provided you make intelligent and informed decisions about where you'll be sailing and when. Do that and you'll rarely encounter anything over a gale, so they say. A Class A certification, therefore, could be given to a boat that might be seriously taxed in Force 9 conditions.

By defining the top end as winds "up to" something like Force 10 or 11 and wave heights "up to" something like 9 m or 10 m, I'm sure a lot of boats now receiving Class A certification wouldn't qualify. The Directive needs to better qualify the top end of Class A.

It makes me wonder how many boats, where the owners abandoned ship, that were later found floating and in good shape, would have been abandoned if the owners knew the top end the boat was certified to take.
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