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Old 16-06-2011, 11:40   #1636
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Re: Cruising on $500 per Month . . .

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Or just close it. 1,625 posts on the subject ... what more could be said?

Nothing new here folks, let's move along.
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Yeah.... it's not a thread anymore. It's f#%king rope.
If you no longer find this thread of interest, why do you keep reading it?
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Old 16-06-2011, 11:55   #1638
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Oh multi hull, oh multihull where art thou?

In case you haven't guessed yet, I go cruising a lot. I'm in Ensenada Honda on Cuelebra, PR at the moment. Lots of boats here, not a one a multihull.

Last month we delivered Osiris to Cape Canaveral for Jim. We found multihulls in Luperon, a handfull that is out of the hundred or so boats there, but all were longer than 40 ft. From there we sailed thru the Bahamas to Florida. You guessed it, all multihulls were 45 ft LOA plus.

They all cost $250k or more, have two engines multiple fridges etc.

Micro-budget boats they aren't.

Florida.... more of the same..

The era of the Pivers and Wharrams is over. Yes, individuals occasionally build one, but the big flux was a feature of the flower children era.

So, what happened? Marina charges escalated to the point a multihull was paying twice the sum demanded of a similar sized mono-hull. The charter trade settled on cats in the 45-60 ft range as a replacement for the CT 54s and big Irwins. Multihulls in the 28-34 ft range disappeared.

What of the good old boats? They are a remnant of those built during the 70s. They are what remains of boats built before the energy shocks led to reformulation of polyester resins, before builders cut scantlings. They are still going because they were overbuilt, while younger boats are scrapped.

Everyone here who wants to go cruising must come to grips with some salient facts regarding fuel expense.

Fuel cost us $1/ gal in 2005 in HongKong $1/liter in 2006 in Mayotte and RSA. $3 / gal last year in St. Thomas, $5 /gal this year in St. Thomas. A man on micro-budget simply will not be able to budget for fuel, he must do without. I have mentioned this repeatedly.

Specifically, if you can afford fuel for an engine in your boat and an engine on your dink, you are not micro-budget cruising. You may be mini-budget cruising, but not micro-budget. There is nothing wrong with your having the means to do so. I am not criticizing that, but I am responding loud and clear to assertions by those of you with means who apply snobbery to those who lack them. And I assert that the very act you make in deriding economical means to cruise is evidence enough.

Why is it that the lot of you take not one iota of interest in the examples shown..? Not one question as to where they cruised, how they managed etc. Instead I hear derision regarding "ordinary boats". Well, I have news for you... micro-budget cruising is performing extraordinary things with the ordinary.

Why do I not hear more regarding how to organize accomodation, how much tankage, storage wrinkles, how to make your own sails, awnings, etc. Are the whole lot of you so rich that you can buy this stuff off the shelf? AND If so, will you buy from me? I can use the money, you see....

AND with your money, I'll go to the South Pacific AGAIN !!

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Why do I not hear more regarding how to organize accomodation, how much tankage, storage wrinkles, how to make your own sails, awnings, etc. Are the whole lot of you so rich that you can buy this stuff off the shelf?
Do a Search (there be more than one thread on CF)
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Old 16-06-2011, 12:12   #1640
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Boats

So what happened to boats?

The engineers happened.... the technicians happened.....

First welding equipment and techniques improved to the point it is now
routine to weld 0.125 aluminum and experts can weld material half this.

Next sufficient boats were built that scantlings could be safely reduced.

This made for lighter hulls in both GRP and Aluminum. This made for less displacement, and less ballast.

Then Dick Zaal and his colleagues responded to need in Europe and designs with 0.6 m draft were developed. The OVNI comes to mind.

Cruising sailboat (lifting keel, aluminium) - OVNI 365 - Alubat

the above is a review of the 36 ft LOA Ovni, again 2 ft of draft.

So, what happened, is technology obviated the need for "training wheels" and mono-hulls took over the shallow draft market with drop keels and centerboards and the ability to go 80 degrees tack to tack.

And yes, these boats are basically sharpies.

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but--do thy handle 10-15 ft seas nicely in 60 + kt winds??????
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Re: Cruising on $500 per Month . . .

That's a nice boat, how much do they run?

The reason this thread is a train wreck is because none of these arguments, or proposed cruising arrangments, have any relevance at all with me or most of the other REAL budget cruisers who cannot afford anything other than a 40 year old plastic boat and a few grand a year to spend on it (or to spend on cruising).

Photos of boats don't really indicate the 'budget cruising' aspect. I find that videos tell a much better story
Budger Cruiser,
Budget cruiser,
budget cruisers,
budget cruising family

Or how about this budget cruiser?

Do you think any of these people really cared what other people had to say about what type of boat is "best" for cruising?

Budget cruising 101 - Go with what you got. If you don't have a boat, get a cheap 40 year old design that is sound. Now, go with what you got.
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but--do thy handle 10-15 ft seas nicely in 60 + kt winds??????
I think they have quite a track record of circumnavigations especially among the French, so they must do all right.
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what--french do cruising or racing right? hhhmmmmmm..i wasnt taught to believe french did much right...look at the peugeot and renault ...
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Why is it that the lot of you take not one iota of interest in the examples shown..? Not one question as to where they cruised, how they managed etc. Instead I hear derision regarding "ordinary boats". Well, I have news for you... micro-budget cruising is performing extraordinary things with the ordinary.

Why do I not hear more regarding how to organize accomodation, how much tankage, storage wrinkles, how to make your own sails, awnings, etc. INDY
Well sir, I think the answer to that simple question is that except for the newbies/dreamers, we've all read the same books you have.
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Well sir, I think the answer to that simple question is that except for the newbies/dreamers, we've all read the same books you have.
who reads cruising or budget books??i read murder and mayhem books...LOL
i just DO cruising....
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who reads cruising or budget books??i read murder and mayhem books...LOL
i just DO cruising....
I tried to read Annie Hill's book, but as soon as I looked up her boat and realized she paid like $40k for it, I gave it back to goodwill
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The engineers happened.... the technicians happened.....

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Funny ... nobody questions why ppl are NOT driving the Ford T-Model anymore. Ppl drive reasonable priced and comfy cars except for some rich folks who can afford an old timer.

I guess it's just more safer and cheaper to drive/sail something of the latest engineering/design ?!
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what--french do cruising or racing right? hhhmmmmmm..i wasnt taught to believe french did much right...look at the peugeot and renault ...

Hey, someone sailing a leaky teaky shouldn't be throwing rocks at the French. Remember all the wonderful stuff the Asians gave us ... like the little plastic jack-o-lanterns.
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Hey, someone sailing a leaky teaky shouldn't be throwing rocks at the French. Remember all the wonderful stuff the Asians gave us ... like the little plastic jack-o-lanterns.
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