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Old 22-05-2011, 00:32   #1516
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From the above discussion, it appears that the multi-hull crowd has taken over the thread, and the focus has migrated away from micro-budget cruising.
I don't think they are taking over, just expressing a different point of view

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The multi-hull crowd is bitching about monohulls in general, when in fact they are making valid points about the cruiser-racer type of monohull.
See my previous comment


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They are asserting that monohulls don't have deck space on which to lounge, when in fact properly designed and managed monohulls do.
32 foot yacht with a beam of @ 10 feet
or 32 foot cat with a beam of 18 feet, probably around 4 times the deck space



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The fact is..... those who must and are cruising on micro-budgets are doing so on mono-hulls, and those who pioneered micro-budget cruising did to on mono-hulls.
I think you'll find James Wharram was one of the pioneers of modern cruising and budget boat building.
Proa canoes have been around quite a while also.



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It is also a fact that you cannot achieve the speeds professed by the multi crowd unless you drive the ship, which means carrying all the sail she'll hold.
depends on the boat, sail plan and skipper, but a multi is lighter so requires less rig for the same speed = less stress

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This is the same sort of squall which sank the 48ft multi just south of Martinique last year. The difference between my experience and their experience was 11 tons of ballast in the keel. In consequence I lived to gain experience and voyage around the world, while they found a watery grave.
You are making some rather large assumptions in comparing the 2 events.

Mono hulls never sink during bad weather do they



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This is something the multis don't do very well, and the wharrams don't do at all.

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Indy, you make some interesting points but your anti multi-hull misconceptions are diluting the useful info you are posting, stick to what you know.
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Old 22-05-2011, 09:27   #1517
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Re: Cruising on $500 per Month . . .

hd i waited for completion of my formosa i would still be wondering when the hail i would be leaving sd..LOl.... cruising is the fine art of repairing boat while underway. remember that ---is the only way to leave a dock or mooring.
smooth sailing and see ye out here.
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So at the end of the season take your Multi home....



Indy.... why do you assume someone HAS to be in one group or the other....
Some of us are flexible and love both... you've either never sailed a Wharram and believe gossip... or you never learnt to sail one correctly...
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Old 22-05-2011, 15:23   #1519
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Re: Cruising on $500 per Month . . .

Becuase my boat was designed 75 years ago does that mean it is out of the running for what makes up a good boat?
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Becuase my boat was designed 75 years ago does that mean it is out of the running for what makes up a good boat?

No but hopefully youu didn't have to replace or repair everything from the hull up.
This tit for tat stuff has got to stop. Monohulls vs multihulls who cares? Seriously it all does the same thing. I'll put the skippers experience and sea skills up against anothers any day of the week monohull or multihull. If you don't have seamanship skills you won't get far on or in any boat.
So can we agree to disagree wether a cat or a mono is the best or cheapest and get back to where the cheapest charts,gear,places,and food are available?
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a boat is a boat is a boat--- i know that most older boats may need some attention and get jealous when ye spend too much time elsewhere....mine is a formosa which means formosa my life i will be doing SOMETHING to her and with her to improve.....75 yr old boat is just getting broke-in!!!!
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No but hopefully youu didn't have to replace or repair everything from the hull up.
This tit for tat stuff has got to stop. Monohulls vs multihulls who cares? Seriously it all does the same thing. I'll put the skippers experience and sea skills up against anothers any day of the week monohull or multihull. If you don't have seamanship skills you won't get far on or in any boat.
So can we agree to disagree wether a cat or a mono is the best or cheapest and get back to where the cheapest charts,gear,places,and food are available?
Amen, brother.
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Re: Cruising on $500 per Month . . .

Strange is not, that we all are or want to be sailors. Last I looked a sailboat had a hull or hulls, a mast and any number of sails. A sailor can sail 1 day a week or 1 day a month or 1 day a year or a life time. If any of you think about the time when working on or in your boat and you needed an extra hand, did you care if he or she had a mono, multi hull or a power boat? The one REALLY good thing about boating is the friendships you develop and the experiences you shared with other boaters. I have found that crewing or being on a different style of boat than mine only lets me learn a bit more and have more respect for the captain and from that I can learn the limitations in handling a particular type of boat. The saying goes "a day without learning at least one new thing is a day wasted".
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No but hopefully youu didn't have to replace or repair everything from the hull up.
This tit for tat stuff has got to stop. Monohulls vs multihulls who cares? Seriously it all does the same thing. I'll put the skippers experience and sea skills up against anothers any day of the week monohull or multihull. If you don't have seamanship skills you won't get far on or in any boat.
So can we agree to disagree wether a cat or a mono is the best or cheapest and get back to where the cheapest charts,gear,places,and food are available?
Actually I didn't have to do anything to the boat to get it to the point where everything thing I am doing is because I want to. The hull, rig and sails are in terrific shape and the engine is a nice healthy 33hp diesel (Vetus M415, built on a Mitsubishi base) with 1500 hrs. What I am doing is taking an intentionally sparse interior and turning it into something nice. As far as my cost, the boat boat sost me $17, 400 and after refitting and rebuilding the interior including upgrades, radar, vind vane etc my final cost for everything will still be under $25,000. I had the boat out of the water all last winter while they were rebuilding the docks, the hull is nice and sound.
I am not saying my mono hull is better than a multi for the soul reason it is a mono. For the same reason I dislike people saying their new design plastic boat is better than my classic design ocean cruiser for the soul reason it is new. The construction of my boat (launched 1972) is top nailed strip plank mahogany screwed onto 2"x3" double saw frames at 12" centers finished with two layers of fiberglass on the outside (later replaced with fiberglass using epoxy resin on hull and deck). Last winter while the docks here were being replaced I sanded down to the bare glass and applied 4 gallons of epoxy barrier coat. What I have is a boat that has all the advantages of a wood and a fiberglass boat with none of the disadvantages of either.
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Re: Cruising on $500 per Month . . .

@wolfenzee:

I love wooden boats.. I was curious if you had some pictures of your boat.
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This tit for tat stuff has got to stop. Monohulls vs multihulls who cares? Seriously it all does the same thing. I'll put the skippers experience and sea skills up against anothers any day of the week monohull or multihull. If you don't have seamanship skills you won't get far on or in any boat.
So can we agree to disagree wether a cat or a mono is the best or cheapest and get back to where the cheapest charts,gear,places,and food are available?
Problem is I love them both but can only have one! For now is mono.

But I think you are absolutely right about skills being the most important factor. And I don't think the icons of cruising, people we all respect like Moitessier, the Hiscocks, the Pardeys, the Roths, and the list goes on, would care how many hulls you had. The important thing was to get out there and go cruising.
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Okay... I'll stop messing about....
Lets get serious again...
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I love wooden boats.. I was curious if you had some pictures of your boat.
I don't have any recent photos but here are some line drawings
Atkin & Co. - Captain Cicero
and photos from before I started to "dress the old girl up"





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