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Old 08-02-2016, 17:18   #1
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Cruise Ship hits rough seas

A Carnival cruise ship from NJ to Port Everglades Florida then to the Bahamas hit rough seas, got bounced around and is now headed back to NJ. The captain said 100mph winds.

Carnival called it an unexpected storm. Now I doubt it was totally unexpected. Local weather men in the Florida area are saying it was not unexpected.

If a Carnival cruise ship can not miss storms how do other sailors in small 35' sailboats do it? And yikes if caught in those rough seas in a 35' sailboat.



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Old 10-02-2016, 06:51   #2
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First of all you may not want to head south when a costal nor-easter has been forecast with winds already clocked at 50mph.
In sailing there will be weather we cannot avoid but some we can.
However if your boat is sound and you are prepared chances are you will be fine in a 35 ft. sailboat.
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Old 10-02-2016, 06:54   #3
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It was Royal Caribbean's Anthem of the Sea.
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Old 10-02-2016, 08:48   #4
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It was my thought that the huge cruise ships have all best equipment from radar, charts, stabilizers, experienced capatains and helms crew. Heck...I would think of following one of I could. After all they have the best weather data.

Last year there was that smallish cargo ship lost in a hurricane.

These ships are pressured to be at a particular port on time. Probably the root cause for these sailing mistakes.






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Old 10-02-2016, 08:58   #5
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It was a brand new ship... now looking for a new captain, me thinks...
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Old 10-02-2016, 09:03   #6
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Ah yes
as they say a sailors worst enemy is the calendar.....
and of course selfish greedy owners pressuring their servants to make deadlines.
Captains need to learn like Nancy Reagan always said "Just Say No"
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Old 10-02-2016, 09:10   #7
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"Last year there was that smallish cargo ship lost in a hurricane. "

The ship, El Faro was 790 feet. Is that "smallish"?

Either way, size, tonnage etc may or may not be a decisive factor here, but good old seamanship is the factor. Winds of 50? Winds of 75? Winds of 100? Either way it was forecasted, it was winter in the North Atlantic and the ship should have altered course before the storm, especially when cruising at 20+ kts.
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Re: Cruise Ship hits rough seas

The gCaptain Professional Mariner website has a discussion of the event. A professional weather router who supports several large shipping lines said the storm was well forecast 3-days prior to when Anthem of the Sea left New York headed for Florida.

He produced NWS charts from Saturday 4 AM (12 hours prior to the ship departing NY) that showed a rapidly deepening low off Cape Hatteras with 65 knot winds and 11 meter seas.

Sunday AM (8-hours after leaving NY) the cruise ship captain was told that the seas east of Hatteras were greater than 12-meters with winds over 70-knots.

Yet - Anthem of the Sea continued on - headed directly into the well forecast and reported storm.

El Faro?
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Here's the youtube video;



At the thirty second mark you can see Kenomac's oyster

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...and my favourite of all time, a few years ago.....



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I guess these ships are too big to fail. But it has been known that mother nature can toss these boats around like toys. With knowing that they still headed right into the storm or did they think they could sail trough the storm.

Just read that there has been an investigation launched into the matter.

It will be interesting to hear the decision making process.



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Re: Cruise Ship hits rough seas

In an interview reported locally, Capt stated "he was going to squeeze thru the 2 fronts and outrun the storm" If true, he should be a former capt.

I'll never forget the Capt Walbridge on the s/v Bounty making the similar statement
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Yea both flat sided barges.


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Capt. will take the fall, goes with the job, but I feel real sure he didn't really make the decision, the Corporate guys, gambled, and lost. It's all about revenue generation, and you don't generate any at the dock, least that's my opinion.

Makes me wonder about some of these Guy's, the Capt. of the Concordia for instance, I would never have believed that whole scenario was even possible.
Where do these people come from?
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Re: Cruise Ship hits rough seas

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In an interview reported locally, Capt stated "he was going to squeeze thru the 2 fronts and outrun the storm" If true, he should be a former capt.

I'll never forget the Capt Walbridge on the s/v Bounty making the similar statement
Yes, very similar.

Hubris is the nice, diplomatic term for an up-himself wanker who should never be in charge of peoples lives.
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