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Old 26-12-2016, 00:03   #1
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Crossing Bass Strait Australia in Beneteau 42 Yacht

I am looking at purchasing a Beneteau 42 yacht from Hobart and want to bring it back to Melbourne. I have not sailed across Bass Strait before. Can I have some advice on what time of year is best to make the crossing, and what route I should follow? Also recommendations on whether i should have a delivery skipper accompany me and can you recommend one in southern Australia? thanks all
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Hi Slanyon

Best time would be from now until end of May. Go east coast, then depending on weather, through Banks Strait or up east of Flinders Is then to Wilson Prom.

I have decades of experience in Bass Strait and a number of voyages up & down the east coast between Hobart & Cairns. Last Delivery was Melbourne to Brisbane with a 11.6 meter Roberts. Before that was a 35 meter power catamaran Hobart to Cairns. I am a professional Master, depending on when you want to go I could help deliver (for a fee). PM me if you are interested & I can give you details of my experience etc.

Edit: I am going Melbourne to Hobart on a 27 meter topsail schooner @ end of January, should arrive around 08 February so may be able to return with your Bene 42 then.
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Hi Craig thanks for your post. We are discussing your offer re delivery skipper.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:27   #4
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Re: Crossing Bass Strait Australia in Beneteau 42 Yacht

Happy New New Years Eve Slanyon and Craig.
Slan' I know nothing of what you asked but it may be of some reassurance to you to know that in about 10 days I'm departing Sydney for Tas. Will spend about a week in Eden to re-rig with Sta-lok's and then cross in Feb depending on weather windows. Yes, I know, lots of people do it but this is a seriously small boat and I can't swim. AND I just hate sea monsters.
A poster on "seabreeze" named Lydia ( and others) assure me that Feb is best, assuming nor' easterlies rather than sou' westerlies. If so, will you get hammered after rounding Tasman Island? Genuine question...will my great noreasters be your bloody awful noreasters? But I know nothing, except that I'm not afraid.
So Craig, with all you trips across the Strait does Feb sound like a good time to leave Eden?I COULD go via Lakes Entrance, Deal Island etc but that really is the long way. I'd much prefer to go straight accross.
Feb sound OK?
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Yo, brian!

We're in Tassie now. However, imho, we did not choose a propitious weather window.
It is that, here, "variables" do not necessarily mean "light". And therein lies the problem. Strong NE to SE really stir up the sea state, and on fast pacing, not the leisure of NSW.. "Possibility of fogs with reduced visibility" means wet, cold, and miserable visibility.

For your crossing, I'd recommend more stable conditions for the crossing.

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Brian, your boat's a trailer sailor; don't delude yourself about it's capabilities, please.
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Yo, brian!

We're in Tassie now. However, imho, we did not choose a propitious weather window.
It is that, here, "variables" do not necessarily mean "light". And therein lies the problem. Strong NE to SE really stir up the sea state, and on fast pacing, not the leisure of NSW.. "Possibility of fogs with reduced visibility" means wet, cold, and miserable visibility.

For your crossing, I'd recommend more stable conditions for the crossing.

Best wishes,

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Brian, your boat's a trailer sailor; don't delude yourself about it's capabilities, please.
J. C. ANN!!!!
You, Young Lady know nuthin !!
This bloody boat, in the words of the designer, is a "pocket coastal cruiser". Yes, by way of comparison with your massive ship it truly is only a toy.
But let me tell you sumthin'. In America the maximum legal width of a "trailer sailer", or a semi-trailer, or anything travelling public roads (sans special permits) is....do you know ?? it's, in Amerispeak, 8' 2 1/2" ( eight foor two and a half inches. Strange number yes, I know. That number is derived from the International limit of 2.5 metres.
A Catalina 25 ( a popular American boat) is properly classed as a trailer sailer because it is only 8ft wide and has a swing keel with a draft of from 2ft to 5ft. This is probably Americas biggest selling trailable yacht.
Now, my piddling little boat of which I should be so wary and probably ashamed, has a fixed keel with a draft of 5ft. Bit hard to get it onto a trailer, but the biggest hurdle is that the thing is nine feet wide..9ft.
Illegal everywhere in the world and virtually impossible to tow without first being lifted onto a special trailer with a crane.
Did any of that (rant) sound...believable.??
If today was April 1st I'd suspect you were just winding me up....but it's only 5 1/2 hours until 2017 so you belittling my piddling toy boat must be either a joke ...or ......something else?
Do remember Ann, that this thing, this joke of a boat, is the HOME of a war veteran who went to fight a war in support of the U.S. It contains all of my lifes possessions, including my, and my Dad's, military medals.
No doubt someone will accuse me of being too sensitive. Too sensitive my butt!
Happy Missy?
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I think the lady was speaking metaphorically.


I think you will find that the vehicle widths in the United States were originally related to railroad car dimensions and had nothing to do with metric standards which they tend to abhor.


I don't think Ann is belittling your "piddling toy boat", or "this joke of a boat" what she is saying is it is a relatively small vessel with relatively limited seagoing capabilities as is generally the case with relatively small boats.


Get your hand off it mate.
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Its all down to timing the fronts.. I crossed the Straits in November.. sat out 3 days 50kt winds in Port Fairy before jumping on the tail.. by the time I got to the Straits on the 30ftr I was taking from Perth to Port Huon it was like a mirror as I crossed W to E before hanging a right down to Hobart.. just get the rhythm of the season right..
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J. C. ANN!!!!
You, Young Lady know nuthin !!
This bloody boat, in the words of the designer, is a "pocket coastal cruiser". Yes, by way of comparison with your massive ship it truly is only a toy.
But let me tell you sumthin'. In America the maximum legal width of a "trailer sailer", or a semi-trailer, or anything travelling public roads (sans special permits) is....do you know ?? it's, in Amerispeak, 8' 2 1/2" ( eight foor two and a half inches. Strange number yes, I know. That number is derived from the International limit of 2.5 metres.
A Catalina 25 ( a popular American boat) is properly classed as a trailer sailer because it is only 8ft wide and has a swing keel with a draft of from 2ft to 5ft. This is probably Americas biggest selling trailable yacht.
Now, my piddling little boat of which I should be so wary and probably ashamed, has a fixed keel with a draft of 5ft. Bit hard to get it onto a trailer, but the biggest hurdle is that the thing is nine feet wide..9ft.
Illegal everywhere in the world and virtually impossible to tow without first being lifted onto a special trailer with a crane.
Did any of that (rant) sound...believable.??
If today was April 1st I'd suspect you were just winding me up....but it's only 5 1/2 hours until 2017 so you belittling my piddling toy boat must be either a joke ...or ......something else?
Do remember Ann, that this thing, this joke of a boat, is the HOME of a war veteran who went to fight a war in support of the U.S. It contains all of my lifes possessions, including my, and my Dad's, military medals.
No doubt someone will accuse me of being too sensitive. Too sensitive my butt!
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Brian, I find this a bit offensive, mate. Ann has been a positive responder to many of your questions here on CF. She has a lot of sea miles experience to draw upon. She has now crossed Bass straits 29 times.

When she respectfully suggests that yours is a small (trailerable?) boat, and that it can be a hazardous passage, your diatribe re your veteran's status and American trailer laws is out of place.

You have pisssed me off.

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Brian,

What I meant for you to pay attention to was the difference between light variables, which we often see in the Sydney area, and the Tasmanian variables. It was basically a suggestion for you to do better than we did with window selection. Something about learning from others so as not to get beat up oneself.

I did Google on your type of boat, and what I saw characterised it as a trailer-sailor. My intent was not to denigrate your boat, but to try an ensure you had a pleasant crossing.

Boatie is right, having a good passage is all about timing.

You might consider the encouragement I have publicly given your effort to come to Tassie, rather than publicly excoriate me for trying to help.

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So Craig, with all you trips across the Strait does Feb sound like a good time to leave Eden?I COULD go via Lakes Entrance, Deal Island etc but that really is the long way. I'd much prefer to go straight accross.
Feb sound OK?
Brian
Feb is good for winds out of the east (NE, E & SE) with the high pressure systems down low. That doesn't necessarily equal smooth seas and comfortable sailing! The easterlies can create some very uncomfortable short seas. In a small bout like yours I would be carefully watching the wind direction and consider the possibility of going down the west coast of Flinders Is. Skip Lakes Entrance, unless you have to go in. On the back of a High would be a good time to go with the northerlies (NE, N or NW) but give yourself enough time to at least get to Flinders Is before the following cold front arrives. Move down the east coast of Flinders Is as the front crosses, then you should be back to an easterly regime again. Depending on how far south the following High is you may get SE, E or NE again.
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Hi Brian

I am with Jim, your rant is just crazy. You might want to look up your trailer regulations before you fly of the handle. I regularly move loads up to 3.5 meters wide with just flagging and no escort vehicle.
Not only have you come across as ignorant but you also sound like you have a few issues........maybe you could pawn some of those military medals and get some professional help.

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To all you foreign types;
Its Bass Strait. Singular. There is only one.

As for crossing it, it depends.
If you have the range to motor all the way, then you can quite easily wait for a window and cross it in millpond conditions, pretty much any time of year. Follow the back of a low to get initial southerly winds dropping out to nothing, then motor.
If you need to sail, then you want to be comfortable in 5 knots and 40 knots. The ideal 15 knot day doesnt seem to happen that often, I seem to only have those conditions as the wind builds or drops from one extreme to the other. But there are enough bolt holes so you can hide from the worst weather easy enough.
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There's only one Strait of Gibraltar but I still say 'when going through the Straits..'
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You can always pick the 'mericans.... they say 'Bass Straits' and also use the plural of ' mate ' in an odd fashion.

At least Jim used the form 'pissed me off' and didn't just say he was 'pissed'....
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