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Old 08-06-2015, 16:16   #16
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Re: Container Ship and Saliboats

Yesterday I heard the Vessel Traffic Service (VTS) make an announcement on 16, that a ship was southbound and would be heading under the Bay Bridge, bound for the South Bay anchorage, and would all the sailboats south of the western section of the Bay Bridge please get out of the way! I've not heard one of those announcements before.

The wind was very light and the tide flooding, so a number of us were basically tacking back and forth in the same spot south of the bridge. I started the engine, and with generous use of it, stayed about a ship length (his length, not mine!) away. The boat behind me did not, and got the 5 horns and got a bit too close for comfort, crossing in front of the container ship's bow.

The scary thing was how quickly this all happened.
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Old 08-06-2015, 16:35   #18
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Yesterday I heard the Vessel Traffic Service (VTS) make an announcement on 16, that a ship was southbound and would be heading under the Bay Bridge, bound for the South Bay anchorage, and would all the sailboats south of the western section of the Bay Bridge please get out of the way! I've not heard one of those announcements before.

The wind was very light and the tide flooding, so a number of us were basically tacking back and forth in the same spot south of the bridge. I started the engine, and with generous use of it, stayed about a ship length (his length, not mine!) away. The boat behind me did not, and got the 5 horns and got a bit too close for comfort, crossing in front of the container ship's bow.

The scary thing was how quickly this all happened.

About 5 minutes to the mile. Had an idiot try to stop us from deployment back in the mid 80's wind surfer verses carrier (uss carl vinson cvn 70) not to smart it he did survive to go to prison his board was in little bitty pieces after our screws got done we didn't feel a thing.
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Re: Container Ship and Saliboats

So that's San Diego, and it appears to be the Dole fruit carrier that makes regular transits in an out of the bay to the 10th Street terminal.

For sail traffic, that's a slightly heavy weekend. The channel in San Diego is a restricted maneuvering area of course, so the freighters have the right of way. The vast majority of sailors know the rules and keep clear. The Navy escorts its ships in and out with small boats that will clear you out of the way these days, but most commercial ships are unescorted.
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Re: Container Ship and Saliboats

Most of these container ships are not maneuverable AT ALL in confined ships channels. There is just not enough space or time for them to either slow down, stop or turn. Have often seen the ships towing a tug pointed in the opposite direction. The tug is there to slow the ship down. These big guys are direct drive and there diesels operate over a very small rpm range. They cannot throttle them back to slow down to very slow speeds. Not sure how or if they actually have a reverse gear so they could even try and stop. Do they stop the engine and start it up going backwards for reverse???
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Actually they operate anywhere from as low as twenty rpm to a high and more eficient 80 to 85 rpm Some of the smaller freighters have variable pitch propellers and constant rpm engines so varying the pitch for reverse . On the really big ones they literally stop the engine and restart in reverse.
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If the camera is where the navigator is then the ship could be in breach of the regulations for visibility from the bridge.

Sure thing the officer and the sailors had some fun that day. ;-)

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Plus they are probably not well manned enough to keep a watch on the bow, just in case some one tries sailing in front of that crane.
Most do keep watch in a crowd. Many have live video feed.
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That's not what I meant and you know it as a ticket carrier yourself I meant to point out they were aware of idiots in the area therefore should have and likely did have extra watchstanders on the bow area in radio contact with the bridge to minimise the likely hood of an unfortunate incident. But you are correct. DQ a few of the idiots and I'm sure the situation will improve for real sailors. Trying to make a living.
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A few years ago I was late starting the Baja Ha Ha and a submarine was heading out or coming in. I was on there with future Ex and kids. This guy in a Rib with a machine gun on the bow comes up to me and tells me I needed to be 500 yards away from the submarine. In a calm voice I asked him, " Sir that would put me on shore. What would you like me to do? He told me to get out of the shipping channel and he would stay in between the sub and my boat.
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You can tell its a cruisers forum
i think you might find that most racers would make most cruisers look silly when it come to colregs, if you have ever attended a protest hearing you will find most decent helms are more like barrister when it comes to deciphering the rules.
Yep it maybe boys/ girls playing games in you eyes but I didn't see a collision and would suggest more cruisers hit stationary objects like a safe water mark in a 4 knot tidal stream! Than racers hitting a commercial vessel
I have seen more cruiser near misses who haven't a clue what to do when entering a port with limited space during a race.
Those that race in close quarters just look at these big boys as another fleet of racers on a starboard tack, the advantage is that they know they are going to stay on course and maintain there speed ( they have no option!) I would suggest they know the risk but push the boundary of the rules and know very well the consequences

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Container Ship and Saliboats

On another point, have a look at a AIS screen in a traffic separation scheme in the English Chanel , these big boys rely on other professionals in the scheme to do the right thing.but I have seen as many cruisers push the boundaries just the same when crossing them, it may not be a sound signal used, but i have heard some fairly irate VHF transmissions
18 knots closes the ground pretty quickly on a collision course.!


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Try Poole harbour on any Sat in the summer when the many club race fleets are out.. Barfluer and others are on the horn all the time..
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Try Poole harbour on any Sat in the summer when the many club race fleets are out.. Barfluer and others are on the horn all the time..
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Pure madness.

I've had racers shake their fists at me because I didn't divert out of the channel when they tacked right under my bows where I can't even see them . I considered explaining that I can't navigate outside of the channel at all with my draft, then decided not to bother.

Sailors in the US complain about motorboaters. In the UK, the motorboaters are, with rarest exceptions, the most polite and considerate folks out on the water. Over here it's the sail racers who cause all the trouble.
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