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Old 25-05-2015, 13:55   #106
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There I am, coming out from after about my thousandth trip under Niagara Falls. Total Catamaran newbie.

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Looks like a VERY interesting experienceÖ.and what an experience you must have dealing with currents!
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There's one reason I've owned monohulls instead of a cat and that is: $$$$$
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Old 25-05-2015, 16:15   #108
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Looks like a VERY interesting experienceÖ.and what an experience you must have dealing with currents!
Yep. The currents lively. I'll take a pic tomorrow of the turbulence right in the heart of it. This one is just the approaches.

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Old 25-05-2015, 20:43   #109
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I donít make a habit of posting on this forum, but felt I should add my 2 cents worth here. I am a long term monohull sailor having started in dinghies as a child, and spent many years racing both dinghies and keel boats.
My first multi hull experience was a delivery of a Piver trimaran many years ago, that experience didnít convert me to trimarans.
I was thinking about changing to a catamaran a couple of years ago so I joined some friends for a week in the tropics and then a 1000nm passage on a 44ft FP. My thoughts on comparing the FP with a similar size and displacement (14 ton) monohull follow.
Cruising around the islands the catamaran was great with a good cockpit for socialising, shallow draft, great stability, and the sailing was okay as long as you didnít really want to tackle a good windward beat, (the owners had warned me about the lack of windward ability). A bit of rig tuning and trimming did improve performance a bit, but not what I had been lead to believe by forums such as this.
The first part of the passage was trade winds so eased sheets and away we went, but really no faster than a good monohull in similar conditions. I am one of those people who actually enjoy being at sea (some call me unsociable as I prefer being at sea than sitting in an anchorage for more than a couple of days), and I also like to turn the autopilot off occasionally and sail the boat. Steering the FP was like driving a truck - totally boring.
Once the wind became a head wind progress was slowed drastically! The FP wouldnít point well, was slow, and very uncomfortable in a seaway. I had been told that the only way to get these things to go to windward was to run one engine, which I now believe.
For the sheer enjoyment of sailing I will not be changing to a cruising catamaran any time soon, although I havenít yet sailed on a performance catamaran with dagger boards.
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Old 26-05-2015, 18:49   #110
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Admittedly, my cat sailing experience is quite limited, a couple of BVI weeks chartering. I think they're great as charterboats because when you have a boatful of newbs aboard, the spacious amount of room and ability to stay flat so everyone's drinks don't spill is important. For a BVI charter with a boatload of non sailors, I'd actually prefer a cat because it makes for a better experience for the majority of people aboard, but I HATE the way they feel moving over (not through) waves, feels sort of like a lurching barge, and to me the way a boat sails and feels while underway is more important than how many square feet of deck space it has or how level the boat stays. I'm also certainly not interested in going cruising for more than about a week with lots of people aboard, OR with people who can't remember to put things that might spill away when we catch a gust.

I'm open to the thought that the reason I have such a poor impression of how cats sail is that all my experience is on charterboat cats and still hold out hope that maybe there are some cruising cats out there that actually feel good moving through the water and are fun to sail.
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Admittedly, my cat sailing experience is quite limited, a couple of BVI weeks chartering. I think they're great as charterboats because when you have a boatful of newbs aboard, the spacious amount of room and ability to stay flat so everyone's drinks don't spill is important. For a BVI charter with a boatload of non sailors, I'd actually prefer a cat because it makes for a better experience for the majority of people aboard, but I HATE the way they feel moving over (not through) waves, feels sort of like a lurching barge, and to me the way a boat sails and feels while underway is more important than how many square feet of deck space it has or how level the boat stays. I'm also certainly not interested in going cruising for more than about a week with lots of people aboard, OR with people who can't remember to put things that might spill away when we catch a gust.

I'm open to the thought that the reason I have such a poor impression of how cats sail is that all my experience is on charterboat cats and still hold out hope that maybe there are some cruising cats out there that actually feel good moving through the water and are fun to sail.
There are cats that are fun to sail, but a good cat always stays on top of the water rather than sails through. Some people like the motion others don't.
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There are cats that are fun to sail, but a good cat always stays on top of the water rather than sails through. Some people like the motion others don't.

I believe jtsailjt nailed it for me. Sailing a house is not what I intend as the best use of my hard earned money.
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i am sure I could get used to the motion if someone gifted me this cat, but I was lucky enough to go out on an Atlantic 57 cat on a test sail to test out new rigging and sails. Was blowing 12- 15 on chesapeake, boat easily going 10-12 knots. But at all speeds from 5-14 knots the small, jerky, lurching motion, coupled with height above water, made me feel slightly ill. I couldnt wait to get off.

Mind you between 35 years of chesapeake and offshore sailing I've only been seasick 3 times. Again, like all things could get used to it I suppose. But the motion wasn't enjoyable. I guess at those speeds you'd be seasick for only a short time...


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20 years ago, we were hellbent for leather, harnessed in and headed to Cuttyhunk at 7 knots in my Pearson 10M. I thought we were hauling ass, until a Corsair F27 skittered by above us, easily doubling our speed.

That image stuck in my mind for years.

It is known that two sailboats in sight of each other are racing, though when asked, the loser certainly was simply "enjoying the day." But racing they are and being on the boat that jumps from zero to 15 knots in 15 mph of wind yields bigger smiles. Especially when you haven't spilled your martini, the kids are running around the deck and granny is comfortably giggling on the forward trampoline.

You only go around once. You might as well lead the way!

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20 years ago, we were hellbent for leather, harnessed in and headed to Cuttyhunk at 7 knots in my Pearson 10M. I thought we were hauling ass, until a Corsair F27 skittered by above us, easily doubling our speed.

That image stuck in my mind for years.

It is known that two sailboats in sight of each other are racing, though when asked, the loser certainly was simply "enjoying the day." But racing they are and being on the boat that jumps from zero to 15 knots in 15 mph of wind yields bigger smiles. Especially when you haven't spilled your martini, the kids are running around the deck and granny is comfortably giggling on the forward trampoline.

You only go around once. You might as well lead the way!

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I had a very similar experience. In San Francisco Bay, after racing on a "fast" J-35, on which I had a great day racing. Then, a F31 went zipping past us VERY FAST and the difference in speed was admirable (almost shocking). Enviable too. I thought then: "I wish I was on that boat!"

Since that day (long time ago) I have had an admiration for fast multihulls in both bay sailing and ocean racing (the unlimited or record setters). At one time I wanted to get one of the small (protected water) foil boats (hydrofoil) and I have admired the new DragonFly boats.

But, as I see it, those are a different breed from a typical (relatively heavy) large cruising cat.

I would also love to have a Lagoon (or similar) for comfortable cruising and coastal living. Or an Antares. Or a Leopard.

But, who says one can't have BOTH a mono and a cat?
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i am sure I could get used to the motion if someone gifted me this cat, but I was lucky enough to go out on an Atlantic 57 cat on a test sail to test out new rigging and sails. Was blowing 12- 15 on chesapeake, boat easily going 10-12 knots. But at all speeds from 5-14 knots the small, jerky, lurching motion, coupled with height above water, made me feel slightly ill. I couldnt wait to get off.

Mind you between 35 years of chesapeake and offshore sailing I've only been seasick 3 times. Again, like all things could get used to it I suppose. But the motion wasn't enjoyable. I guess at those speeds you'd be seasick for only a short time...


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I was on a Gemini Legacy on the Chesapeke at last year's Annapolis Sailboat Show and experienced the same thing, albeit very small. Given less than 8 kts, that jittery sensation in a very minor sea state got my attention. Not pleasant.
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I was on a Gemini Legacy on the Chesapeke at last year's Annapolis Sailboat Show and experienced the same thing, albeit very small. Given less than 8 kts, that jittery sensation in a very minor sea state got my attention. Not pleasant.
I think if theyre smaller cats, or cats more burdened by their weight or load, they tend to amplify that cranking. The worst condition comfortwise is that hobby-horse bouncing, but I have seen that can be fixed.

Once cats get over 40ft most of the awkwardness seems to ride out a lot.

Proas dont do it because with the bows set apart they enter the same wave at different times. The cranking sensation is entirely gone.
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Spend some time on both to see what you like. Also depends on budget. If limited budget then go for a monohull.

Kind of like asking people their favorite cooler. Different answers are not wrong.

Personally I enjoy both for different reasons. Coming from mono I miss the "in the groove" sailing feel. For heavy weather sailing I prefer mono. Cats have a much larger platform and generally more pleasant at anchor. If budget were no issue I would pick a mono for high latitudes or a cat for tropics.

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I'm a "normal" person in the market for the boat to take my wife and 3 kids cruising... I can get a decent mono big enough for all of us, pay for it and leave. I could also get a decent cat big enough for all of us, pay for it and then spend another 2 years getting up at 5:30 AM, catching public transport to the office to refill the kitty before we leave...

Pretty easy choice.
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I'm a "normal" person in the market for the boat to take my wife and 3 kids cruising... I can get a decent mono big enough for all of us, pay for it and leave. I could also get a decent cat big enough for all of us, pay for it and then spend another 2 years getting up at 5:30 AM, catching public transport to the office to refill the kitty before we leave...

Pretty easy choice.
Share what you think are comparable boats please.

When you account for actual living space, the purchase cost difference isn't much. Of coure, you will pay a premium for the extra mono length at every marina, haul out and bottom job forever.
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