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Old 28-04-2009, 08:41   #31
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Seems to me like the best thing if you throw a line over for someone else an eye splice of the correct size for application is in order.
I just purchased new dock lines. I had both ends of the line spliced, so there would be less hassled of straightening the line. Also the person who recieves the line can pass the line itself through the splice, and drop it over the bollard, or cleat. It makes for a perfect fit each time, and we can maked needed adjustments as we see fit from the boat. You can see how large our cleats, and bollards are. Usually we sit about 5-6ft. lower. This was after 2hurricanes in as many weeks......i2f
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Old 29-04-2009, 09:20   #32
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As a dock bystander, I am always willing to offer and give help. But when I am on the boat ( as helm or line handler ) I prefer to do it myself. The boat crew has likely been briefed on the plan, the dock help has not. I have seen dockings gone bad because the shore help pulled or cleated the line too soon.

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Old 29-04-2009, 12:38   #33
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This seems like a rediculous conversation. As I said before, the guy offering the help is probably the guy with the boat next store. Most of the time it's handing off a line at arms length. If you need it as a spring line he knows it, or can be yelled at to snub it for that.

Maybe I'm in another world, but most folks I've found on the docks have been more
than helpful. As have forum people. Although those on the dock in most cases have less ego than some on a forum.
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Old 29-04-2009, 15:24   #34
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. Although those on the dock in most cases have less ego than some on a forum.


LOL Really? Just because someone isn't of your opinion and they wish to contribute their ideas they become ego driven jerks?

Give it a break!

No matter what peoples disparate ideas are, at least we can find out here what goes on in others minds. That is not a waste of time, far less worthy of insults.

On this forum there are lots of times when I put out my ideas and find that I am the only person at sea with them. It gives me a chance to later reflect on others input and maybe change my ways.

Further, sometimes I am given a great idea, or at least food for thought, from some complete newby who has never dipped a toe! So careful reading with an open mind can be great

Different peoples ideas and opinions are what makes forums work


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Old 29-04-2009, 15:46   #35
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Amen, Brother!!

Although I think you may have just killed your chances of being a mod. Too open minded.



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LOL Really? Just because someone isn't of your opinion and they wish to contribute their ideas they become ego driven jerks?

Give it a break!

No matter what peoples disparate ideas are, at least we can find out here what goes on in others minds. That is not a waste of time, far less worthy of insults.

On this forum there are lots of times when I put out my ideas and find that I am the only person at sea with them. It gives me a chance to later reflect on others input and maybe change my ways.

Further, sometimes I am given a great idea, or at least food for thought, from some complete newby who has never dipped a toe! So careful reading with an open mind can be great

Different peoples ideas and opinions are what makes forums work


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Old 30-04-2009, 09:51   #36
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If you are going to quote a post, please quote the whole thing. So it isn't taken out of context.

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Time to chill?

The thread starts with a silly situation where cal40john is criticised for not assisting in quite benign circumstances ... so in many way the thread starts with the ridiculous. But moves on to practical ideas we can use.

Two things facinate me here. One is the expectation that its my job (rather than my pleasure) to pull in another boaties lines. Of course we will assist, but it ain't going to go exactly the way they do it, and it often isn't clear they can't do it themselves until Murphy ('s Law) is in control.

The second thing is how people prepare their boats and crew to reduce reliance on others. For many docks layouts and situations, there is one line that brings crisis under control (often a spring). As a skipper sailing with newbies, I focus preparation and practice on getting that right.

As long as I bring the boat 'into the zone' that rope will 'bring me home'. As I leave home berths, I lay out that rope so it can be 'hooked' ASAP.

I am very interested in how others go about things ...
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My apologies, the icon was meant to be a smile, not a poked out tounge.
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Roger,

Excellent point about a spring line.

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The tongues don't stick out enough so you notice. Hey, the icons came with the software. It's too late to to get a refund. Andy botched the sea trial.

Lots of latitude is required when reading posts. We have dozens of versions of English written here. It includes people living upside down relative to most any one and you just know that that screws things up a lot. It's driven me nuts for years. You can learn! If it were a better world we would have more understanding. It would be OK if we started here.

The details of this thread are something we can talk about. A lot of people don't. For me I look at the wind and figure the right thing going into the slip. If on the dock I figure maybe they need some help. If they look like they will miss the slip I stick around. There are a lot of folks that don't know to ask and many that resent that you think they can't. You can't know before they get there if they will unless they ask. If you offer before they ask it's OK. If they can't really get in trouble if you wait longer than you know.
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I trust few people to take a line for me. I have only had two bad docking experiences and both were due to people yanking on a bow line (40' single screw). I have a bow thruster but very rarely use it.

One fella after being asked politely not to touch the lines (several times) and then being yelled at "DON'T TOUCH THE DAMN LINES" still reached over and grabbed my bow rail.
At just the right moment I gave the thruster a shot and sent him into the water.

One of my favorite boating memories
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I trust few people to take a line for me. I have only had two bad docking experiences and both were due to people yanking on a bow line (40' single screw). I have a bow thruster but very rarely use it.

One fella after being asked politely not to touch the lines (several times) and then being yelled at "DON'T TOUCH THE DAMN LINES" still reached over and grabbed my bow rail.
At just the right moment I gave the thruster a shot and sent him into the water.

One of my favorite boating memories
Seems a bit strange that this is one of your favorite boating memories!
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Seems a bit strange that this is one of your favorite boating memories!
He's from Hogtown. Not much better to do on Lake Ontario, than "play" with the dock rats.
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He's from Hogtown. Not much better to do on Lake Ontario, than "play" with the dock rats.
Not true. There's always the "which way is the smoke from Stelco blowing today" game.
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Unfortunately true....ever since Stelco went belly up.
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