Can't take much more of this global warming

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Too late. Lindzen has already been discredited.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ml#post1434441

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ml#post1434447

No, Lindzen has not been discredited. That is simply the kind of statement that has no content, no merit, and is simply an ad hominem attack that should be treated with the contempt it deserves.

He has merely been attacked because like so many scientists, he has noted that all of the models proposed by those who attack him have failed. It is the models, the scientists who promote the models and the flacks that support them that are discredited.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Consensus is the Antithesis of Science.


Because a majority of scientists once believed the sun revolved around the earth did not make it so. Their “Consensus” was proven wrong by that stubborn thing known as Truth.

Galileo had a conflict with orthodoxy of the church and the Inquisition, not with scientists.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Galileo had a conflict with orthodoxy of the church and the Inquisition, not with scientists.

you dance around the point trying to change the subject....

Let me help, by taking away the eay out.

"Because the scientists had a consensus that the Atom was the smallest form of matter, did not make it True". Their so called Consensus was proven to be false when their tests and models didn't work and match reality...see any parallel here?

[Jimbo485]

The Christian church had an issue with science and the earth circling the sun theory?

And the MMGW religion has issues with some current theories as well?

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Galileo had a conflict with orthodoxy of the church and the Inquisition, not with scientists.

His conflict was with the predominant consensus on the organization of the solar system, so the analogy used was spot on.

At some point, one has to realize that debating with MMGW campaigners is like debating with flat earthers. The good news is that the fraud that is MMGW will be definitively revealed for what it is over the next few years. The climate isn't going to track the predictive models of the IPCC, and while they will do what they can to segue into 'climate change' vs. 'global warming', everyone will remember them and their supporters for the Goobers who said the earth was heating up. So unlike so many tough scientific questions, this one won't be hard to sort out. We either will, or will not heat up. Simple. Since we haven't been, and won't warm to any significant or harmful degree in the future, the case will soon be settled, and except for the billions wasted, we can all have a good laugh at yet another failed leftist agenda item.

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by Jimbo485

The Christian church had an issue with science and the earth circling the sun theory?

And the MMGW religion has issues with some current theories as well?

As an aside, the Pope was a Galileo supporter because the idea that the earth circled the sun was not all that controversial, and solved a lot of observational problems with a geocentric model. There is a reason why the oldest observatory is the Vatican's. Galileo ran afoul of the Pope by making him look like a dope in a book he wrote, and went onto the permanent poop list as a result.

Non theists have used a doctored version of the incident as a basis for contending that religion is the enemy of science, which is kind of rich, since western science was developed by the church.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Jimbo485

The Christian church had an issue with science and the earth circling the sun theory?

And the MMGW religion has issues with some current theories as well?

Joshua 10:12

[senormechanico]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

So, look... as much as I love me a good CC/AGW debate... let's not do this again this week. How about a break, everyone? Let's just share what's going on in our neck of the woods, and leave the climate debate off CF for a while? Please?

Lake Effect,

What happened to your pleading?
I thought you wanted to kick the habit for awhile...
There's help out there. It's called FACTS.

[Coops]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Joshua 10:12

Bob Dylan. Album 6. Track 7.

Coops.

[Jimbo485]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Joshua 10:12

So the sun AND the moon are the centre of the solar system?

You are confusing me more.

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Joshua 10:12

The Galileo Controversy | Catholic Answers

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by Jimbo485

So the sun AND the moon are the centre of the solar system?

You are confusing me more.

A Tuesday (the THIRD DAY of the week by the way) bible study...what next on CF?

Joshua, chapter 10, contains the account of a great battle between the children of Israel and the pagan Amorites.

As the battle progressed, and extended daylight was needed to complete the operation, Joshua prayed: “O sun stand still over Gibeon, O moon over the Valley of Aijalon” (Josh. 10:12).
And so, the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the fray was completed (v. 13).

First, the Bible student should observe that the language employed, “Sun, stand still,” is phenomenal jargon. That is, from our vantagepoint, the sun appears to move. Accordingly, we commonly use such expressions as “sunrise” and “sunset” without any loss of scientific credibility. This is an important interpretative principle to note.

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by Coops

Bob Dylan. Album 6. Track 7.

Coops.

Herbert Hoover. Speech to Congress Apr 7, 1930. 4th paragraph, second sentence.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by Delfin

Herbert Hoover. Speech to Congress Apr 7, 1930. 4th paragraph, second sentence.

Really....you gonna make me google it and not give a link....sheesh....

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Really....you gonna make me google it and not give a link....sheesh....

Oh, I have no clue whether Herbert gave a speech that day, or if he did, what he could possibly have been going on about. It just seemed somehow as relevant to the conversation as Coop's posting, so I thought "what the heck....", I might as well post the first thing that came to mind.