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Old 17-03-2016, 16:28   #46
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Re: Buying boat long distance through Broker

My yacht was all over the Internet with few brokers. Luckily the owner left the AIS transmitting for me to find him. Seller was pretty happy that I did that as all those brokers ended up with bone ⛵️
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broker= used car salesman. RUN>>>>>AWAY!!!!!
get looking at something closer to you.
and good luck with your used car salesman. he will try to show you boats outside your budget because he wants a larger commission.
oh yes and boats he cannot sell..... enjoy searching- hope you do not lose your assssssssss..


role of broker--sell you boat yielding greatest commission.

if you have option on a close by boat without broker--- run To it.


Do you really think you're doing this or any other buyer a service when you make a blanket statement like that?? As a very responsive broker who genuinely cares about his clients I take great offense to that statement. I'm sure that whatever work you did or do, that there are some bad apples floating in your barrel as well. Shall we lump you all together?

Ok, off the soap box and back to musher...

You really need to find a good buyers broker to protect your interests in any deal and to hammer away at any less then ethical sellers or brokers. My advice to you would have been, first, to forget the old survey, it's worth nothing. If you were close to making an offer I would have located a surveyor to do what I call a pre-survey. The surveyor spends a few hours going over the boat and taking pictures in order to get a general idea of condition. Based on this "right now" info, you can now make an informed decision on whether to proceed further. If the pre-survey stinks, you just spent a couple of hundred bucks but saved yourself a plane ticket.

If you really, really wanted the boat then I would have had you get the boat under contract first in order to protect yourself from another buyer while you were getting the pre-survey. Of course, there would be contingencies in the contract based on pre-survey and full survey results. If the pre-survey is bad you just reject the boat and go on to next one. This is my standard advice for clients who are too far away to personally inspect the boat they are interested in. In any case, find a good broker. If you have any questions, fire away...
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Old 17-03-2016, 18:23   #48
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Re: Buying boat long distance through Broker

Brokers are like any other group. As a cynical old man I have learned that most people are not worth dealing with. The exceptions to the rule make dealing with people worth it. I know a broker who turns down sales that he thinks are no good for his customer. An exception, indeed, but they exist.
Go to the local fisherman/sailor bar and ask who the best broker around is. Many times you will get the truth.
A good broker knows where all the best boats are and cares as much for the buyer as he does the seller.
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Old 17-03-2016, 18:33   #49
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If you really, really wanted the boat then I would have had you get the boat under contract first in order to protect yourself from another buyer while you were getting the pre-survey. Of course, there would be contingencies in the contract based on pre-survey and full survey results.
that's helpful--and doable. I wonder why I didn't think of it now.
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Old 17-03-2016, 19:49   #50
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This is normal behaviour. Beware lies and misinformation. Even after we contracted a surveyor that we knew well and trusted, we still couldn't cover all bases. So many boats are status symbols for dodgy people. So many brokers and owners are lying, kniving wankers. Sure, not all of them, but beware!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Buying boat long distance through Broker

I should add another thought:
I bought a boat long distance by making an offer and negotiation subject to personal inspection, upon approval, then subject to survey and inspection. The broker took a photocopy of a deposit check.
Twice actually brokers have done that check thing with me. I think often they just need to be able to say to the seller that "he wants to pay $XXXXXX, and I have a deposit check". Let's face it, they all know you can get out of it anyway.
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Old 18-03-2016, 04:04   #52
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Re: Buying boat long distance through Broker

Hi
I have a boat for sale around the same price and I am definitely not a broker. And i will give you all the information you need.
I don't know where you are but chances are this is thousands of miles away as well. I am in Western Australia and i suppose you are in the US. This would make for a nice sail back 😊
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Anyway let me know if you are interested.
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I appreciate the offer Hugo, but I'm shopping in the US pacific northwest for now.
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I appreciate the offer Hugo, but I'm shopping in the US pacific northwest for now.
???

You should be shopping in the Canadian PNW! Closer to Alaska and with the exchange rate you will make out like a bandit :-)
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Sorry I misspoke a bit. I am definitely watching/shopping BC (and Yukon).

I was just trying to distinguish between NW Australia and this part of the world.
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Sorry I misspoke a bit. I am definitely watching/shopping BC (and Yukon).

I was just trying to distinguish between NW Australia and this part of the world.
It used to annoy the hell out of me when shopping on YachtWorld to find the perfect boat only to notice it was actually in Australia...
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Do you really think you're doing this or any other buyer a service when you make a blanket statement like that?? As a very responsive broker who genuinely cares about his clients I take great offense to that statement. I'm sure that whatever work you did or do, that there are some bad apples floating in your barrel as well. Shall we lump you all together?

Ok, off the soap box and back to musher...

You really need to find a good buyers broker to protect your interests in any deal and to hammer away at any less then ethical sellers or brokers. My advice to you would have been, first, to forget the old survey, it's worth nothing. If you were close to making an offer I would have located a surveyor to do what I call a pre-survey. The surveyor spends a few hours going over the boat and taking pictures in order to get a general idea of condition. Based on this "right now" info, you can now make an informed decision on whether to proceed further. If the pre-survey stinks, you just spent a couple of hundred bucks but saved yourself a plane ticket.

If you really, really wanted the boat then I would have had you get the boat under contract first in order to protect yourself from another buyer while you were getting the pre-survey. Of course, there would be contingencies in the contract based on pre-survey and full survey results. If the pre-survey is bad you just reject the boat and go on to next one. This is my standard advice for clients who are too far away to personally inspect the boat they are interested in. In any case, find a good broker. If you have any questions, fire away...
Great post. Telling people to walk away from any boat listed with a broker is pretty dumb advice. You'll miss out on a lot of the boats out there. Also, asking a listing agent whether a boat has or has had blisters makes no sense. All the agent can do is ask the owner & you shouldn't trust their answers anyway. I'm not saying most brokers are liars but it's your responsibility to do your own due diligence. A pre-survey is a good idea but that's in the water so you still won't really know about the hull condition until the boat is hauled & surveyed.

Also, the implication that boats listed with brokers sell for more because the seller has to pay a commission is a fallacy. Market value is market value. The seller's expenses do not affect it.

We found our boat on Yachtworld. It was in Michigan & we're in Florida. I talked to the broker, made an offer contingent upon my inspection, a sea trial & a survey. I flew up there the next weekend & closed with no problems. The broker was very professional & actually much easier to deal with than the seller.
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Brokers are like any other group. As a cynical old man I have learned that most people are not worth dealing with
Ok, good to know I am not the only one sharing this thought. Hell I must be getting old and cynical

Seriously though, of course there are exceptions to the rule. But even being willing to concede that the offended brokers on the thread belong to that mathematical uncertainty well.. wasting ones energy contacting hundreds of brokers until one pops up who will *actually* answer your inquiry instead of replying with a useless proforma email and that gives you the feeling he is a decent man well.. that still hasn't happened to me.

Sellers (and buyers I am sure ) are also not easy. It is of course human nature to look out after #1. Sellers also deceive, misrepresent and hide things. But dealing with them directly usually exposes something. After all most of them are not trained sellers so if you prod enough.. it will usually come up one way or another. If anything one gets at least a feeling for the person.. and then I follow a fairly easy rule. Is this someone I would buy something from in a dark alley? or does he/she give me the creeps? Is this someone who gives me the feeling he took good care of his baby? Don't underestimate the value of your intuition.

So as a buyer, the broker looks like an anacronism from a pre Internet era who is just getting in the way between me and the seller and preventing me from getting to know the man who sailed my future boat for so many years past.
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I'm in the process of considering the purchase of a boat that is advertised through a broker. This is my first experience dealing with a broker. My previous boats I've purchased directly from the owners.

I'm very interested in the boat, but it is thousands of miles away. I want to be pretty sure it's a candidate before making an offer, paying to travel, and engaging a surveyor.

The broker has told me that there was a survey done last year, but has so far declined to provide a copy to me. His explanation is that he didn't want me calling the surveyor and asking questions about it.

I encouraged him to redact the surveyor contact info and send it, but so far he has not done so.

I also asked for some additional photos. The broker has indicated that the photos were taken, but that it's very confusing/difficult for the owner and broker to figure out how to email them to me.

The broker also claims ignorance on many of the questions I've asked. Things like "does the boat have blisters or a history of blisters or any blister treatment". Many of my written questions have gone unanswered. The broker seems to just ignore the question. I get the impression the broker does not want to write any of his answers down.

Is this normal behavior from a broker, or should I be listening to the little alarm bells that are starting to go off?

I'm thinking about asking to speak directly with the owner. Would that be a legitimate request?

The boat is in the neighborhood of 50K if that makes any difference.
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Pm me if interested boat is in vancouver wa will consider free delivery.$45,000 obo.Total restore have $130,000 into it.
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