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Old 25-06-2016, 10:26   #46
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...The European project.........!! Sounds just like one of the two men that tried subjugating Europe before, and both came unstuck. Both those attempts had the very active participation of the Brits in resisting that intent.
Sorry to disappoint you. The idea was brought up by Sir Winston Churchill on 19 September 1946: "We must build a kind of United States of Europe." Source


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There will be no referendum in any other member country before the consequences are clear - everyone ist waiting what will happen to Britain.
This is why Brexit will take the hardest possible route. Whatever the deal with Britain will be, it will be much, very much less favourable than the deal they had.
No one in the EU wants to encourage other countries to even think about leaving.

May I remind you that Britain is not a Euro member?
England has its Pound Sterling but has more impact on the Euro than most Euro currency countries because of the size of its economy and financial center operations.

Netherlands and France are already trying to setup a referendum to exit.... The only catalyst needed is a recession which is coming... Short the Euro!
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Another bit of crazy EU legislation.
I also noticed, Woodenboats, that you do not provide any information about yourself? Nothing about your boat (if you have/had) or country etc? Interesting to note your comment about VAT having to be paid again. Even more interesting is the Brits do not seem to apply this draconian measure. In fact, friends that bought their boat in South Africa, paid VAT in South Africa and then eventually relocated to Britain did not pay any VAT as they were able to show that VAT had been paid in SA already and that they had owned their boats for over two years by the time they arrived in UK. I know that is a decision I would be comfortable with - common sense prevailing over the autocratic rulings of the EU.
Perhaps woodenboats is from the land of wooden shoes.
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I think you have things mixed up a little. It's the Euro currency of the the lazy European socialist States that have their currency overvalued. It's been overvalued for years. The Euro is a disaster waiting to crash. Perhaps reality is finally sinking in.

Very true statement.......and then they pulled the plug on Greece to ensure control of their economy. Interesting that Switzerland, one of the richest, per capita, countries in the world retained their currency as did the British. I believe someone is worried that Europe is tottering on the brink of a potential restructure.
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Perhaps woodenboats is from the land of wooden shoes.

Good connection. I am sure there is a very good reason not to reveal ones status, tho' I cannot imagine what that would be.
I have several Dutch friends sailing, all are good people and proud of their country. Im proud of mine too, despite having a total murerous muppet as a president. I do have strong positive feelings towards many countries - I have found the majority of people to be very decent in spite or despite their governments.
I guess we should get back to the topic of sailing rather than politics tho'.
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When I see all the craziness the world is serving up right now... it sure is comforting to have a sailboat that can be in any continent or island to weather the storm. Go long Cruising sailboats !!!!
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Very true statement.......and then they pulled the plug on Greece to ensure control of their economy. Interesting that Switzerland, one of the richest, per capita, countries in the world retained their currency as did the British. I believe someone is worried that Europe is tottering on the brink of a potential restructure.
Let's not forget those savvy Norwegians also.... they will avoid the maelstrom like the Swiss and Brits will...
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First... at least 2 years before real changes and after that no one knows so all this is pure conjecture. But assuming no special transition arrangements are in place we can assume -

Brits... prospect of having to comply with the 90 day in 180 Schengen rules.

Brits will lose access to the European health insurance card providing free health care.

Unless special provisions are enacted it can be assumed that provisions applying to foreign boats at the moment will apply to Brits .... eg

New UK boats may be subject to EU VAT after 18 months in the EU irrespective of UK vat having been paid.

Existing UK boats that remain out of the EU for extended periods may lose their Vat paid in the EU status.

Depending on how the CE issue is treated you can expect this certification to be changed or dropped which may make purchase / importation of US / Canadian boats easier in to the UK.

Brits buying used European boats and importing them into the UK could be required to pay UK Vat.

British boats will probably be subject to customs limits on booze and tobacco when returning to the UK.

It is unlikely that UK training schools will be able to issue CEVNI certifications for inland European waterways.

Issues for Non Brits.... a new place to reset the Vat clock on the boat which should be great for North American cruisers.

I am guessing there will be 1000s of other smaller issues but in time I suspect England will start to feel like Canada where the 500lb gorilla of a neighbor seems to set all the rules and has all the economic power.
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The most interesting thing for me in the UK is the way in which all our apparently representative politicians have been completely wrong-footed. Democracy sure is interesting, and the reaction of the EU heavyweights demonstrates precisely why the Brexiteers won: it would appear that Brussels thinks this is just a little local difficulty, thus proving the Brexiteers point in one.
An undemocratic organization rapidly becomes uncontrollable and gets a sense of 'mission' which doesn't accord with anyone's wishes but its own.
So what does it mean for sailors? Not much change from now as I still have to carry a passport, insurance valid in whichever country I sail in, and VAT has been paid (to Europe) so currency fluctuations apart (which always happen), I just carry on.....
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... I also noticed, Woodenboats, that you do not provide any information about yourself? Nothing about your boat (if you have/had) or country etc? Interesting to note your comment about VAT having to be paid again. Even more interesting is the Brits do not seem to apply this draconian measure. In fact, friends that bought their boat in South Africa, paid VAT in South Africa and then eventually relocated to Britain did not pay any VAT as they were able to show that VAT had been paid in SA already and that they had owned their boats for over two years by the time they arrived in UK. I know that is a decision I would be comfortable with - common sense prevailing over the autocratic rulings of the EU.
Just added the information you requested. Anything else?
As for the tay issue, it may well be that you feel more comfortable with the bureaucracy in Zimbabwe. I did not invent it (European Bureaucracy), nor am I involved in it. I just have to deal with the situation, and the three year rule is quite clear and simple. As for importing goods from SA to UK - could it be the importer of the boat was british citizen relocating to the UK? That would be different situation.
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Let's face it... the Euro countries got away with their social programs because of a compliant European who is a virtual automaton compared the rest of the world and breeds like a Panda Bear... with millions of Muslims who wish to take advantage of the overly generous socialist programs and who can have families up to 13 children... the system will soon go bust.

The Euro is pretty much like the dollar... it is a blank check currency... there is no gold or silver backing it. The only thing that keeps it alive is a supposed discipline. Human nature being what it is may continue to believe the currency has value long after it doesn't. After the Civil War in America, the Confederate Dollar was used years after the war came to an end even though it had no value. Some may feel the same about the Euro long after its demise.
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Sorry to disappoint you. The idea was brought up by Sir Winston Churchill on 19 September 1946: "We must build a kind of United States of Europe." Source


Thanks Wodenboats, good reminder. However, the USA is a democracy and they are allowed to vote and can impeach their President. The EU is (now was?) building itself into a single state dictatorship that is now beginning to unravel. The good man Winston was talking about using the USA as a model and not the model demanded by the current non-elected, non-accountable commissioners that imposes irrevocable laws; much as I said attempted by two others in the 19th and 20th century. You have not answered the original question tho' so I am assuming you accept that your statment was made in error.
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can we keep the subject matter in mind and relate it to sailing?

Its getting overtly political..
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Just added the information you requested. Anything else?
As for the tay issue, it may well be that you feel more comfortable with the bureaucracy in Zimbabwe. I did not invent it (European Bureaucracy), nor am I involved in it. I just have to deal with the situation, and the three year rule is quite clear and simple. As for importing goods from SA to UK - could it be the importer of the boat was british citizen relocating to the UK? That would be different situation.
I am not sure where you added it? Please identify as I cannot see the support.
As for Zim - what do you really know of the situation? it is pretty obvious that is a big zero. Bureaucracy is not the issue, but if you knew anything at all about the country you would know that already. Having a sworn Marxist leader is pretty challenging tho'. The Brits have allowed two families that I know of, immigrating into Britain, to bring their belongings on the proviso that they had owned them for at least 24 months before arriving in Britain and as long as the owners could prove they had paid tax in the country of origin. This they did. They both brought their sail boats (one sailed over). The point is the dictatorial intransigence of the EU has, and is, being challenged and to state that the Brits are childish says more about you than it does about them.
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BREXIT is a wake up call.... So is Trump.... he may be an obnoxious, egomaniac, BS'ing carnival barker... but he is popular for a reason. The Establishment is hollow and full of dead wood... there needs to be a drastic change. Freedom to sail in Europe will come again. Bureaucrats love regulatory taxes and fees... because that's how they survive.
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