Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 20-03-2016, 20:40   #46
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Long Beach, CA
Boat: Tayana Vancouver 42
Posts: 1,854
Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Unfortunately many gray whales are run down by freighters every year. These are large steal ships with engines running, depth sounded pinging and plenty of other noises. Still the whales don't get out of the way. I'm doubting that our small motors and depth sounders are keeping the whales away from us.


S/V B'Shert
__________________

__________________
Tayana42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2016, 21:18   #47
Senior Cruiser
 
hpeer's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philadelphia
Boat: Murray 33-Chouette & Pape Steelmaid-44-Safara-both steel cutters
Posts: 3,900
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Quote:
Originally Posted by nortonscove View Post
Oodles of whales where we sail. Never hit one but the old guys I know always say time keep your engine running when they are around. Almost hit one in the early morning past July while leaving Fleur-de-lys harbour. It appeared to be sleeping.

As a side note for the flimsy argument PBO this month has an article about boats losing keels. It is a very rare occurrence to begin with but the highest percentage happens to steel or aluminum vessels due to failing welds. So much for the flimsy fibreglass theory.
What is PBO? Please post a link, I wanna read that article.
__________________

__________________
hpeer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2016, 21:39   #48
Registered User
 
markpierce's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Central California
Boat: M/V Carquinez Coot
Posts: 3,413
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

One wonders what the outcome would be in a steel-hulled boat.
__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2016, 21:41   #49
Registered User
 
Lizzy Belle's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Netherlands
Boat: Ohlson 29
Posts: 1,522
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
One wonders what the outcome would be in a steel-hulled boat.
Before one knows what happened, one can wonder about so much
__________________
"Il faut Ítre toujours ivre." - Charles Baudelaire
Dutch ♀ Liveaboard, sharing an Ohlson 29 with a feline.
Lizzy Belle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2016, 21:48   #50
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Victoria B.C.
Boat: CS27
Posts: 1,728
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
One wonders what the outcome would be in a steel-hulled boat.
A whale with a big headache?
__________________
mitiempo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 21-03-2016, 00:22   #51
Senior Cruiser
 
Jim Cate's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 11,454
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
One wonders what the outcome would be in a steel-hulled boat.
Friends of ours in a steel Roberts 38 hit a sleeping (?) whale between the Galapagos and the Marquesas. Rode up over it until the keel hit, then either the whale sank or they just slipped off. No damage at all, the whale sounded after a grumpy-sounding blow, and they sailed on.

So, perhaps Zee's "no one survives" declaration is a bit exaggerated... but still, not a good practice!

Jim
__________________
Jim and Ann s/v Insatiable II , lying Port Cygnet, Tasmania once again
Jim Cate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-03-2016, 01:01   #52
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Germany
Boat: 2ft wide dreaming chair
Posts: 311
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Quote:
Originally Posted by hpeer View Post
What is PBO? Please post a link, I wanna read that article.
practical boat owner
Boat maintenance advice, sailing and motor boats, practical advice | PBO
__________________
Simonsays is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-03-2016, 02:40   #53
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: at mo Hong Kong
Boat: Sadler 25
Posts: 47
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Rob and I were badly frightened by a whale in the Gulf of Aden in 2008. It circled us then rushed toward our port beam on the surface. At about 10m away it sounded and swam under the boat then resurfaced to starboard and swam away. Scared the **** out of us.

More recently (last year) we were sailing from Hong Kong to the Philippines it was a lovely, quiet, peaceful night, I was on watch with the cat (Mouse) in her harness (she always pretends she can't walk or sit up in her harness) when I heard blowing to port, then to starboard. Both very close, Mouse leapt up and rushed to s/board of cockpit staring over the coaming, with her tail rigid in the air (what a faker). I decided to stay on course, then I heard blowing ahead also very close. So took down sails and just lay ahull and waited for the whales to pass. It was wonderful and a bit scarey as it was dark (midnight - 0300 watch).
__________________
triciarob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-03-2016, 04:34   #54
Registered User
 
transmitterdan's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Boat: Valiant 42
Posts: 4,023
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
One wonders what the outcome would be in a steel-hulled boat.
Nothing would have happened because the steel boat would have been on the hard getting sand blasted and painted for the tenth time...
__________________
transmitterdan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-03-2016, 04:36   #55
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 122
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tayana42 View Post
Unfortunately many gray whales are run down by freighters every year. These are large steal ships with engines running, depth sounded pinging and plenty of other noises. Still the whales don't get out of the way. I'm doubting that our small motors and depth sounders are keeping the whales away from us.


S/V B'Shert
Many of those ships do 20 knots or more and gray whales are exceptionally slow. My boat has never done 20 knots unless she's on a flatbed.
__________________
nortonscove is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-03-2016, 07:30   #56
cat herder, extreme blacksheep
 
zeehag's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 17,770
Images: 56
Send a message via Yahoo to zeehag Send a message via Skype™ to zeehag
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Cate View Post
Friends of ours in a steel Roberts 38 hit a sleeping (?) whale between the Galapagos and the Marquesas. Rode up over it until the keel hit, then either the whale sank or they just slipped off. No damage at all, the whale sounded after a grumpy-sounding blow, and they sailed on.

So, perhaps Zee's "no one survives" declaration is a bit exaggerated... but still, not a good practice!

Jim
aluminum and steel hulls might not be dead.... the fg and ferro go down like.....
oops
zeehag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-03-2016, 08:33   #57
Registered User
 
OldBawley's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 38
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

We saw a group of three whales between Italy and Sicily. Made a big loop around them.


In front of Dalaman airport ( Turkey ) I spotted a sleeping whale. Saw water sprouting, thought it ware dolphins. Sailing nearer, I could see a big grey lump in the water, then I realised it was a whale.


Must have woken it, it dived and we never saw it back. See pic.



Have seen a huge shark formed fish swimming along with our boat. It had a “Hammer” head.
Swam just two yards from us for quit some time. Guess it was 5 to 6 meters long.


So even the Med is not completely dead.
__________________
OldBawley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-03-2016, 08:45   #58
Marine Service Provider
 
SV THIRD DAY's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: La Paz, Mexico
Boat: 1978 Hudson Force 50 Ketch
Posts: 3,653
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

We hit a whale in 2010 flying down the outside of Baja doing 7-8kts wing on wing....felt like we hit a reef. Boat shuttered, rigging and mast shook and the whale rolled out to starboard as we stood there in amazement watching a big black cloud of ablative bottom paint appear in our wake. Being a sailing tank has it's advantages...no damage except a clean spot on the hull, well that and some stained shorts!
__________________
Rich Boren Goodbye Morro Bay...Hello La Paz, Mexico and the owner of:
Cruise RO Water High Output Water
Technautic CoolBlue Refrigeration
SV THIRD DAY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-03-2016, 09:01   #59
Registered User
 
PamlicoTraveler's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Depends
Boat: SB 43' Cutter
Posts: 679
Images: 13
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

I was in ARC Europe in 2012 and we left Norfolk VA with 4 other boats, one being a Hanse 37' called Outer Limits. The owner from the Netherlands was a great guy and we got to know and hang out with him and his crew. We arrived in Bermuda and spent a few days there before leaving for the next leg to the Azores.

We were emailing each other with positions regularly... and about 2 days out from Bermuda, in the middle of the night, I checked my email to find that they had abandoned their boat after hitting a whale, just before sunset. They felt the boat come to a stop, and went up to see blood, and the whale in the water. One of the crew-members was a marine biologist.

There were port and starboard breeches in the hull, right at the waterline as I understand it. They tried stuffing the holes and getting a tarp around the outside of the boat. They called Bermuda radio with their predicament and a freighter was redirected to assist them. At that time, after dark, with the pumps unable to handle the flow, they gave up and boarded the freighter and headed for a 10 day passage to Italy.

It was an eye opener for me - very sad for our friend Joost, the owner of the boat, but of course it was a blessing that everyone was rescued.

When these things it's human nature to try to determine how they did something different than what we would have done in the same circumstance - this is just a way to conquer our own fears. There really is no way to "look out for whales." You might see one occasionally, I have seen their spray from time to time, but if one is sleeping and you sail over it, you were just very unlucky. It doesn't often happen. In reality, they did what they could and when the freighter arrived the decision had to be made - risk my life or give up the boat.

Whales are a risk, along with many others that exist in the ocean. I have to take comfort that the odds of me hitting one are small. Not non-existent, but small. If I did hit one, maybe I could keep the boat afloat, but there are no guarantees. It's like lightning - you might get struck, but you hope not.

http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-view...holed-by-whale
__________________
The next best thing to playing and winning
is playing and losing ...
[I]
PamlicoTraveler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-03-2016, 09:52   #60
Senior Cruiser
 
hpeer's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philadelphia
Boat: Murray 33-Chouette & Pape Steelmaid-44-Safara-both steel cutters
Posts: 3,900
Re: Boat sinks after collision with whale near Guaymas

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simonsays View Post
I you mean the article on "how to check keel bolts" it does not even mention steel or aluminum boats. I presume ther was an article by a different name? I searched but could not find.


Quote:
When a boat loses a keel at sea the first reaction is often to blame the keel bolts, but the evidence does not support this; and other failures are actually more common. In 2008, the International Sailing Federation (ISAF) set up a working party on keel losses, and they found 72 cases since 1984 of boats losing their keels. There were defined causes in 44.5% of cases, but only three were attributed to keel bolt failure. Other causes included welded fin failures (11), grounding collision (8), internal structure (8) and canting keel system (2).
Read more at http://www.pbo.co.uk/expert-advice/h...7Zvz1AKXzDS.99
__________________

__________________
hpeer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
collision

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Whale Collision near Japan - Merged Dexterbase Cruising News & Events 77 21-02-2014 22:04
Leopard 46: Leopard 46 sinks after collision Overlord Robertson & Caine 83 01-04-2013 21:33
Whale collision averted caught on tape inky General Sailing Forum 25 08-10-2012 10:13
Whale/Container Collision chad.lawie General Sailing Forum 42 07-05-2008 16:07



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 23:27.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.