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Old 14-01-2015, 14:00   #1
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Boat lost on Atlantic Crossing

The S/V Symina lost her rudder and had to be abandoned close to Cape Verde Islands.
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The S/V Symina lost her rudder and had to be abandoned close to Cape Verde Islands.
sorry i am not mono guy. why abandoning if rudder lost ? Isn't there a way to make up steering or steer with sails/motor?
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That's a shame. What an opportunity for salvage.
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I can't read turkish, but here is the home page:
Rota Atlantik

and the f-book page
https://www.facebook.com/RotaAtlantik

google translation of the home page
https://translate.google.com/transla...tlantik.com%2F
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sorry i am not mono guy. why abandoning if rudder lost ? Isn't there a way to make up steering or steer with sails/motor?
Very, very difficult. I have heard of a few people who have done it but very few and except for one it was a crewed vessel.
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Re: Boat lost on Atlantic Crossing

She was on the same dock as us in Gibraltar but by chance we never met her although everyone who did said she was a wonderful person with a great attitude. I think she was picked up by a ship but I don't have any details on whether she just lost her rudder or if there was more to it than that. Having said that losing your rudder offshore is the second best idea, ,pretty serious stuff in most cases.
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What kind of boat?
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sorry i am not mono guy. why abandoning if rudder lost ? Isn't there a way to make up steering or steer with sails/motor?
You can steer a full keel boat with the sails but not sure what type boat it was this guy was on or the sea/wind conditions, etc. Your direction may well be dictated by the conditions.

Fin keel boats I hear are very difficult to steer with the sails alone.
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Very, very difficult. I have heard of a few people who have done it but very few and except for one it was a crewed vessel.
i better think how this works on cat. 2 rudders help. If 1 goes the other should still be able to be manually steered.

If both go,.... motors can be used but after run out of petrol.... i have to think.

maybe balance: run 1 motor and sails.

in bad conditions probably not much good.
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i better think how this works on cat. 2 rudders help. If 1 goes the other should still be able to be manually steered.

If both go,.... motors can be used but after run out of petrol.... i have to think.

maybe balance: run 1 motor and sails.

in bad conditions probably not much good.
Catamarans are pretty easy to steer in reasonable sea conditions with the sails alone.

And yes, I raced small catamarans but the principals should be the same if it's a sloop rig.

Use the main to steer towards the wind and the jib to steer more off the wind. Then balance it out.

Sailing off the beach in low water we have our rudders up, so sailing without rudders occurs for beach cat racers every trip out ...... and in. (boards are up also)
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Re: Boat lost on Atlantic Crossing

Well "near" Cape Verde Islands could well mean west of them, and if that is the case and you don't have a purpose-built emergency rudder you're going to be right screwed. I can't imagine any jury-rigged steering solution that will work going to windward in 15-25 knots of wind and 3-4 meter swells. So it's either continue on across or lose the boat, and the first option is not such a great idea, needless to say.
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Well "near" Cape Verde Islands could well mean west of them, and if that is the case and you don't have a purpose-built emergency rudder you're going to be right screwed. I can't imagine any jury-rigged steering solution that will work going to windward in 15-25 knots of wind and 3-4 meter swells. So it's either continue on across or lose the boat, and the first option is not such a great idea, needless to say.
She was 150 miles south west of CV Islands
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See page 106 below for an explanation by Steven Colgate of his experiences steering without a rudder.

https://books.google.com/books?id=8U...rudder&f=false
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Boat lost on Atlantic Crossing

Sad news. The last blog post eludes to rudder failure but it's hard to google translate much detail. Here's a note about the loss of the boat.

Dear Symi to; you deserve a better sailor of my beautiful friend, my comrade ... I did the best I can believe you on what happens to me. I will never forget you live in the most beautiful 4 years. One day, I hope that we encountering in a deep blue.
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See page 106 below for an explanation by Steven Colgate of his experiences steering without a rudder.

https://books.google.com/books?id=8U...rudder&f=false
I'm not sure how to find that page but steering a fin keel boat with the rudder gone in moderate seas is anything but a cake walk. My personal view is if you don't have a spare/emergency rudder then it is a really big problem. Its one thing to lock your rudder and steer with the sails or play with it in protected waters but you really need a working rudder when you are doing long distant offshore passage making.
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