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Old 04-02-2016, 00:00   #1
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Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea

This is another shocking story of cruisers being attacked. It bothers me that the Belize police did not report it to news agencies. It shocks me that onc the police investigated and captured the criminals, one of the crooks got three months! That's it! That's just shocking. The police are denying sexual assault.

http://www.sanpedrosun.com/crime-and...obbery-at-sea/

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Old 08-02-2016, 03:30   #2
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A good article for those who claim guns are unnecessary aboard boats. A friendly smile is all that's required.

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This is another shocking story of cruisers being attacked. It bothers me that the Belize police did not report it to news agencies. It shocks me that onc the police investigated and captured the criminals, one of the crooks got three months! That's it! That's just shocking. The police are denying sexual assault.

Assault and Robbery at Sea - The San Pedro Sun News

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My understanding from the report they have NOT caught the 'Perps'.. just the 'Fence's'...

As for the knee jerk response... Yeah... Right Quick Draw MacGraw... bet your real fast with the pillow holster... Jeez..!!
If they had boarded with Machette's instead of guns do you think anything would have been different if the yacht crew had had Machette's..
4 hyper tense fit young guys board a boat full of fat middleaged soft city types... snoring their heads of.. resistance would have resulted in a massacre.
One handles each situation according to its needs... there are times the way of the Bamboo is wiser that that of the Oak.. they lived to tell the tale by not resisting..
Unlike the hero behind the keyboard who'd use a Cruise Missile on every passing boat..
Like most Gun Nuts and Fanatic's one cure fits all..
"Blow Em Away..!!'
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea

I wonder how they got inside.
Was the crew sleeping with the boat open?
Did they somehow manage to break open the boat w/out waking the crew?
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Very likely.. many folk do not 'Shut Up Shop'... no air-conditioning and the fore hatch open with a wind scoop.. I don't in many places..
Never have in Europe.. and its just as random a chance here as anywhere else..
However.. its 'Home Turf' and I can analyse pretty fast what I'm up against and how to deal with it..
The S Pacific islands were also relaxed and airy..
Theft.. to much like hard work.. as one local bar owner said to me when I asked him if he'd travelled.. 'Hell no..!! What for..?? I want fruit.. I pluck as I walk home.. I want fish.. I catch it from in front of me.. I want meat.. I saddle my horse, call my dogs and ride into the hills for wild pig and goat.. look around you.. then watch the TV... Why should I travel..?"
Oh.. and the sharks put off swimmers.. same in a lot off Oz.. and the croc's..
Certain parts of the Caribe I do not.. in others I do.. and most definitely if I'm the only boat around in a dodgy area and I'll sleep dressed after a fashion..
I find fighting nude a serious disadvantage..
Situational Awareness...
aka Street Smarts..
Wave Smarts... Whatever..!!
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Very likely.. many folk do not 'Shut Up Shop'... no air-conditioning and the fore hatch open with a wind scoop..
I need fresh air, so I always have the fore hatch open. And if not too cold, I'll leave the boat open.

But I'm having "gates" made (sorry, no idea what to call them) to use so I can close off the boat while still letting in fresh air. Pic here: Motion Alarms on Deck

I'm not saying they left the boat open, and even if they did: that does NOT make it ok to enter a boat. I just want to make that clear. But when sleeping on land somewhere, we usually close and lock the front door.
I figure it's probably a good idea to do the same on the boat
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Lizzy Belle,

How does your gate release in the event you need a quick exit?
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Very sad. When we were there, there were alot of dinghies stolen in the Drowned Cayes, just off Belize City, but a good hidey hole from northers. Now it seems crimes have become more serious and out at the atolls.

We were robbed in Utila, Bay Islands, Honduras years ago. We weren't aboard at the time. After that we had removeable stainless bars fabricated that allowed us to keep hatches open for air at night, but also let us sleep knowing no one was coming inside - they might shoot us from above, but they weren't getting in the boat.

The bars are removeable - the keys to the locks are on the floorboards below the hatch, not easily accessible from above, but instantly accessible inside. The first fabricator we asked wouldn't make them because as he said "you're more likely to die in a fire when you couldn't get out, than being robbed while cruising".

Here's the link if you want to see the construction - there's another link in the post showing more details: Pros and Cons of Bars on Your Hatches
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My understanding from the report they have NOT caught the 'Perps'.. just the 'Fence's'...

As for the knee jerk response... Yeah... Right Quick Draw MacGraw... bet your real fast with the pillow holster... Jeez..!!
If they had boarded with Machette's instead of guns do you think anything would have been different if the yacht crew had had Machette's..
4 hyper tense fit young guys board a boat full of fat middleaged soft city types... snoring their heads of.. resistance would have resulted in a massacre.
One handles each situation according to its needs... there are times the way of the Bamboo is wiser that that of the Oak.. they lived to tell the tale by not resisting..
Unlike the hero behind the keyboard who'd use a Cruise Missile on every passing boat..
Like most Gun Nuts and Fanatic's one cure fits all..
"Blow Em Away..!!'
Spot on mate.
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This is another shocking story of cruisers being attacked. It bothers me that the Belize police did not report it to news agencies. It shocks me that onc the police investigated and captured the criminals, one of the crooks got three months! That's it! That's just shocking. The police are denying sexual assault.

http://www.sanpedrosun.com/crime-and...obbery-at-sea/

-Bill
Unfortunate, but fortunately rare in Belize. One other event that I know of.

Pays to be security concious everywhere...unfortunately.

I wouldn't count on much from the Belize PD...their behavior ranges from KeyStone Cops funny to tragically incompetent.

I also wouldn't count on any competent evauluation of a rape victim.
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea

i cannot make the words better than did boaty.
thankyou my friend. words of reason and sensibility.
**** happens. make sure you are not a part of it.
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I am currently in Isla Mujeres anchored in front of the boat that went through this horrible ordeal. I will find out if she is a member of this forum, and let her provide the first hand details if she wants. The boat was locked. This has ended cruising for them. They are enroute to Fl. to sell the boat after 11 years. Very sad, and has my wife and I questioning our trip south. We have met another cruiser here ( first hand experience again) that has warned us against most of Belize, except for Palencia.
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It is very easy to speculate on this and that. It is alao very easy from the safety of your own home to say what you would and would not do. Before leaving on our voyage, I had many scenerios that I thought I was prepared for, but after talking to first hand victims, it is not 1/100 as easy as you think. Those of you that have delt with adrenaline dumps know what I am talking about
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Lizzy Belle,
How does your gate release in the event you need a quick exit?
I have no clue what all the parts are called in English (don't even know in Dutch, haha!) but it takes seconds only. Just in case of a fire or some other emergency. You want to lock people out, not in
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These are passive IR, so flapping Bimini or whatever won't set on off, it's takes a warm body. Cheap and just give it 12VDC, maybe even the lighter receptacle most have in their cockpit.

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I go on the theory that having a bright light shined in your face just as the crook is climbing aboard is a deterrant
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