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Old 09-04-2011, 16:30   #46
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

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Actually there is a better shot of the leakinghere.



poor poor girl....
That is just water draining from the decks through openings in the gunwale.
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Some FB photos of when she first came ashore:

https://www.facebook.com/album.php?a...closeTheater=1
Very good pics. Thanks.

Just curious.
It looks like there was a CG vessel with a thumping great diesel or two. There was an opportinity in the early pics while Le Papillon was stern to.
No chance to get a line across and haul her back out to deeper water?

Or is it a case of no action without a request?
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

I would think the holes are for drainage off the deck. Looks like water is washing across the deck and exiting on the opposite side.

edit,... didn't notice soundbounder's response on the same detail.
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

Isn't that the toerail scuppers?
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

Oops. You tell the slow typists around here!
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

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It looks like there was a CG vessel with a thumping great diesel or two. There was an opportinity in the early pics while Le Papillon was stern to.
No chance to get a line across and haul her back out to deeper water?

Or is it a case of no action without a request?
Virt, in the USA, the Coast Guard doesn't do salvage. Once the crew was safe on shore, the Coast Guard's role is simply to monitor the situation.

Now, had the boat been just barely in the surf with all crew still on board when the CG showed up, they may have attempted to get a line on her. But, once she was aground and there was no lives in danger, they standby.
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

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Very good pics. Thanks.

Just curious.
It looks like there was a CG vessel with a thumping great diesel or two. There was an opportinity in the early pics while Le Papillon was stern to.
No chance to get a line across and haul her back out to deeper water?

Or is it a case of no action without a request?
Yer thats what I meant in the facebook pics the photos are taken not long after she has landed on the beach (sails still up) not bad whether, I would have at least put a anchor out to stern keeping it from being pushed further up the beach, and the sails would have been down first.
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Virt, in the USA, the Coast Guard doesn't do salvage. Once the crew was safe on shore, the Coast Guard's role is simply to monitor the situation.

Now, had the boat been just barely in the surf with all crew still on board when the CG showed up, they may have attempted to get a line on her. But, once she was aground and there was no lives in danger, they standby.
Thanks for the clarification. I understand protocol and systems and the need for it.
It's just a shame when it stands in the way of what looks like a common sense effort.
I guess it's a case of where do you draw the line.
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

15k???? are they wanting to sell it or offer ing that for someone to remove it. Wow, I wonder I have seen and performed salvages before and seen some incredible damage done from extreme electrolysis once the sea water hit the batteries, I wonder the integrity of the hull, Just thinking about the cost to Completly re rig her it would be much cheaper to buy another I would think.
What a shame she is pretty,,,,
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

Le Papillon was docked at our marina in Baltimore when she left for Maine. I should say rather, when she was taken to Maine by the owners 19 year old son and two friends. Without permission and with very little/no sailing experience, they apparently loaded a cooler and headed out. Just an easy sail up the coast right?

I can also confirm at least one rumor of a grounding very soon after taking off, as one of our marina neighbors evidently helped them off with his tug.

We are all very shocked and sad.

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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

Maggie,
Wow, that THREE groundings for this crew. Well, two groundings and one beaching.

Has anyone had the nerve to call that number on craig's list?
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

Have seen the CG go well beyond the "rules" trying to help out sailors in trouble when there were ways to just get the crew off. Recently, with the invention of paid towing services, it seems the CG (our tax dollars) has abandoned giving us a hand.
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

Two and a half years ago, Hurricane Omar drove two ferries ashore here on Nevis. The next morning an excavator and a very large backhoe went to work, digging out the sand around the ships until there was a clear shot to the ocean, whereupon they pushed them out until they floated. The guys at work made it look easy!

If Le Papillon is holed the game is over; if not I'd say she could be refloated.


p.s. yes, the second one's a WWII landing craft! Don't laugh! It's our car ferry between Nevis and St Kitts.
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Re: Beached Schooner on Fire Island

Very sad thing to see, a fine vessel so carelessly treated. I can hardly credit someone would take such a vessel without permission and then treat it so cavalierly. I certainly hope he was afraid to go home. I also hope she can be recovered and sail again.
I also own a colvin designed boat and would be heartbroken if she ended her life that way.
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Looking at the Facebook photos with the full sails up ... I suppose the crew woke up while she was in the surf and in a frantic effort to get her off the beach, deployed all of the sails in a sort of hail Mary move?

I cannot imagine ... and yes I did take the cars as an underage kid many times.

What a nightmare for the family.
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