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Old 16-05-2014, 20:56   #211
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Re: At The Risk of Starting WWlll

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What year Bird do you have? I just sold mine when I bought the boat. I had her since new in 97
06 Silver Bird, Bought it for my 60th Birthday, Did 70,000 Kays on it in 4.5 years, and wrote it off,
Scratched Fairings, They write them off here, Nothing wrong with the Bike,

But 3 Grand for New OEM Fairings, Its in the Bin,

I now have an 05 Blue Bird, with 40 Tho Kays on the clock, Cheap with lots of Bling,

97 Model, Nice, You had the Fastest Model, How many Kays or miles did you have up on it,

My car went around corners Flat too, No Roll, Holden 253 V8 GTS Monaro, Only did 750,000 Kays in that one,

I do like travelling, Where, Who cares, as Long as I am moving to somewhere, I have never been before,
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Old 17-05-2014, 10:16   #212
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Re: At The Risk of Starting WWlll

The BEST answer of early 2014.



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You know I've never been on a catamaran and I think in the last 6 years I've seen maybe 4 in the whole Boston area.

So why doesn't come prove how great they to me and take me out on theirs?


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Old 17-05-2014, 10:35   #213
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One day cat owners will start telling the whole truth. But for the moment it seems most will only praise the cat and won't acknowledge their weakness. It's only when you sit down and have open discussion that you get the truth.

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Re: At The Risk of Starting WWlll

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One day cat owners will start telling the whole truth. But for the moment it seems most will only praise the cat and won't acknowledge their weakness. It's only when you sit down and have open discussion that you get the truth.

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Not so true Simon.
YOu can discuss anything about Cats here and get a straight answer.
Ask away..........
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Not so true Simon.
YOu can discuss anything about Cats here and get a straight answer.
Ask away..........
Stop raiding the 'Meds' cabinet Weavis.. your getting delusional..
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SNIP

It's only when you sit down and have open discussion that you get the truth.

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I am unaware of anyone who posts to CF standing up.

I have always been sitting down when I post.
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Stop raiding the 'Meds' cabinet Weavis.. your getting delusional..
Fair enough...... let me rephrase.

Asl me a question Simon....... I will answer you directly.
However.....
If you come with prejudgment, and I fail to support them, be aware it doesnt make me a "Cat" diehard.... it means I disagree with you on provable logical grounds........ NOT my own prejudices..
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I am unaware of anyone who posts to CF standing up.

I have always been sitting down when I post.
ooh.....

If Im at the office and on the laptop in the backroom.. its on a shelf and I have to stand......

Thats why I use the reception computer when Michele or Sharon are busy.... then I sit......and then I stand quickly if they catch me...
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ooh.....

If Im at the office and on the laptop in the backroom.. its on a shelf and I have to stand......

Thats why I use the reception computer when Michele or Sharon are busy.... then I sit......and then I stand quickly if they catch me...
I sit corrected.
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I sit corrected.
I just got caught
Back to standing..

I need an extension cable for the power to my desk...... just too bloody lazy to get one.. OK......... I will go get one on the way home..... I feel that sitting is more comfortable .... and less earchache.
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That is way out of my price range lol, but thanks for the link.
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Re: At The Risk of Starting WWlll

We chartered on a catamaran once. It was part of an ASA program so we could learn to sail catamarans.

First thing: they are different. It's worth taking the class!

Secondly, we read all about catamarans and we had a wonderful time on this boat. Everyone had plenty of space, the trampoline was a hoot, we were always comfortable and everyone had privacy. All very nice.

The downside was when we hit higher winds and bigger waves (I was looking up at approaching waves from the helm). Our particular French production condo-cat could only be reefed from the mast. There was no safe way to get to the mast by the time the weather turned bad. Yes, we should have laid jack lines and been better prepared, but it still sucked to be stuck with 25 knot winds and a full main. It sucked a lot, actually, but only for a few hours and we all made it to St. Croix and had a nice time, there.

We found the motion in rough water unpleasant. We found that the boat constantly made little (sometimes not so little) noises from deep inside that sounded like the two hulls were trying to shake loose their bonds and become separate monohulls. We found that pointing anything closer than about 55 degrees was pretty hard without at least one motor.

So, for all the many comforts and advantages, based upon our experience with a production condo-style cat, we prefer production condo-style monohulls.

Then there is the cost factor. We can reasonably aspire one day to own a nice monohull and take care of it. I cannot reasonably foresee affording a 40ft-ish production catamaran.
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We chartered on a catamaran once. It was part of an ASA program so we could learn to sail catamarans.

First thing: they are different. It's worth taking the class!

Secondly, we read all about catamarans and we had a wonderful time on this boat. Everyone had plenty of space, the trampoline was a hoot, we were always comfortable and everyone had privacy. All very nice.

The downside was when we hit higher winds and bigger waves (I was looking up at approaching waves from the helm). Our particular French production condo-cat could only be reefed from the mast. There was no safe way to get to the mast by the time the weather turned bad. Yes, we should have laid jack lines and been better prepared, but it still sucked to be stuck with 25 knot winds and a full main. It sucked a lot, actually, but only for a few hours and we all made it to St. Croix and had a nice time, there.

We found the motion in rough water unpleasant. We found that the boat constantly made little (sometimes not so little) noises from deep inside that sounded like the two hulls were trying to shake loose their bonds and become separate monohulls. We found that pointing anything closer than about 55 degrees was pretty hard without at least one motor.

So, for all the many comforts and advantages, based upon our experience with a production condo-style cat, we prefer production condo-style monohulls.

Then there is the cost factor. We can reasonably aspire one day to own a nice monohull and take care of it. I cannot reasonably foresee affording a 40ft-ish production catamaran.
Not a lot of surprise in this post.

There is a lot of room on production condomarans.

What kind of boat is fun in high wind and big waves?

Is it ever a good idea to not be prepared for bad weather? How many times have we been told reef early?

Lots of boats will pound going to windward. But it is standard to fall off a little in a cat if the boat and motion is uncomfortable. Sometimes the gain in speed will make up for the greater distance.

Going out in a bad weather window unprepared for that weather and beating into the wind is certainly not I would expect from a class that was suppose to teach cat sailing. But then my Dad always taught me the first thing you do before you go out sailing is check the weather window and at the first hint of bad weather reef. And my Dad always had monohulls.

Some boats do make noise, but usually falling off will at least reduce the noise. Condomarans don't point well, but there are plenty of monohulls that don't point well. I am not sure which condomono you think points higher and pounds less than a condomaran, but when comparing cats to monos it does not seem reasonable to compare a condomaran to a heavy weather blue water boat, any more than it is reasonable to compare a Hunter to a Gunboat.

Catamarans as a rule do cost more than monohulls. But that seems to be a matter of supply and demand.

I have to wonder if you had had fair winds and following seas (not an impossibility if you wait for the right weather window) what your opinion of condomarans would be.
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The downside was when we hit higher winds and bigger waves (I was looking up at approaching waves from the helm). Our particular French production condo-cat could only be reefed from the mast. There was no safe way to get to the mast by the time the weather turned bad. Yes, we should have laid jack lines and been better prepared, but it still sucked to be stuck with 25 knot winds and a full main. It sucked a lot, actually, but only for a few hours and we all made it to St. Croix and had a nice time, there.
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Reef early.
A LOT of boats only reef from the mast.
You HAVE to reef if you left it too late..... so prepare.
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