Originally Posted by K_V_B
Don't you live in that part of Britain that actually got to "enjoy" being ruled by the Germans the last time?
Just happend to download thefirst episode from Series 8 of Coast. Interesting things about the Channel Islands under the Germans. Nice sailboat in it too...
Me grandad had a mixed war - evacuated the family
(inc. me father) to the UK, but came back for a visit
. and got stuck when the Jerries arrived. Did a stint in the German Merchant "Navy" locally on the supply boats to and from France, not quite a volunteer but not exactly forced labour either
......got deported to Germany for "Resistance Against the 3rd Reich", apparently "liberating" petrol was involved
and given not easy to smuggle petrol through checkpoints no doubt a little bit of freemarket co-operation with the Jerrries was involved on that, as well as for goods brought over from France on the German Supply boats
...of course the risk not just from the Germans, got machine gunned a few times by aircraft (Achtung! Spitfire!! - the irony being that at the time his Wife was in a factory making bullets in England
)........he did survive his trip to Germany, last seen in the UK just after the war - a day later Special Branch (the UK FBI?) came looking for him, never found out exactly what for - but given they would have been fairly busy at that time with lots of Nazi related stuff must have been good
. I like to think he sold a division of US tanks
to the Russians or summit
(he was last seen wearing US Army clobber).
I later had a good german mate (in Thailand), after a few years he mentioned his grandfather had been stationed here during the war as a Harbourmaster - so a good chance his grandad helped deport mine! Small world
Locally a bit of a mixed story for the occupation - lots of holding nose and getting by for the locals (5 years - we held out longer than Berlin!, albeit only by 1 day)......end of the war our Civilian leaders got given medals, it was either that or hang 'em! (To be fair, lots of sh#tty decisions to make or endorse - the alternative being direct German Military rule
which would have been worse).
The CI were demilaterized by the English
- except they forgot to tell the Germans!
, so we got machine gunned and bombed a few times (and some deaths
)......it was actually the US ambassador to the UK who got in contact with Berlin to give the news! By then many of the population had left for the UK, including those signing up for the armed forces (conscription did not apply here - all volunteers).....
.....the people who didn't get out included "foreigners" who the UK did not allow in, folks who had already escaped the Nazi's and freinds - including Spanish Republicans. Not all of them survived that (SFA the locals could do
), but some did (on Alderney there was a Concentration / work camp - no gas chambers, but not many survivors either) - me father used to work with some after the war. A couple of years back one of them was in a line up as part of a Royal Visit (some minor freeloader with a title) - when he was introduced and his brief story mentioned to the Royal (surviving the Alderney Concentration camp) he was asked "oh, what was that like?" - he answer was "how the f#ck do you think it was?
Oh, and whilst on a potted history
- a fella escaped to England
on a small rowing boat (10 foot), that's a couple of hundred miles from here accross the English Channel
, a risky enough thing with just the weather
and sea to cope with let alone in wartime!....when he arrived he volunteered for the Army.......and the English
Govt sent him a bill for the import
tax on the boat (no sh#t!).
My view comes from the fact that if a deal had been done earlier the Germans would never have bothered with France let alone us, British Empire would have survived (staggered on!) and likely the Russians would now be speaking German. or English
- it's not as if the original premise for the war (invasion and occupation of Poland) survived later reality anyway, just that the country doing the occupying changed. Given the west could do a deal with the devil in Stalin could have done one with Hitler and as they were capitalists likely the edges would have come off their ideology a lot sooner than it did with the Communists.....and the Americans could have carried on selling the Nazis Coca Cola after the Battle of Britain, as well as during it...........
Anyway, another off topic long ramble by DOJ