This is a very interesting subject, and I have come across some “friends” from other forums
here, too. Hello.
It’s NOT always anchor
outs. Oh, really? Yes, really.
neighbor has a Pearson
33. Nice boat. At least it used to be. When we first came into the marina back in 1998, we were required to pass a “visual” inspection” – the marina wanted to be sure the boats that moved in were “clean.” However, there is no requirement to keep your boat in that condition. We met our dock
neighbor a few times. Jack would come down once a year or so with a new girlfriend and have her do the woodwork and would take the boat out with her. Last time we saw him was six years ago. The nice white boat was getting blacker and blacker. Two winters ago it almost sank because his scuppers in the cockpit
got gummed up and water
started rising to the point where it would have reached a louver and flooded down below. The live aboard on the dock on the other side of Jack’s boat and I both called the marina, who sent a guy over to clear the scupper.
Just a few weeks ago, the marina put a locked chain across the stern of Jack’s boat. Guess he finally stopped paying his rent.
We found that completely counterproductive as far as the marina is concerned. They could use the slip for new nice clean renter. But no, what do they do? They KEEP a slob right there, which can’t be moved!!!
One of the issues permeating this discussion is “Where do boats go to die?” It hasn’t been answered, ‘cuz landfills aren’t the answer.
One respondent noted two areas in Northern California
: Clipper Cove and Sausalito. We know Clipper Cove very well: our now 23 year old son was conceived there aboard our former boat. There were over a dozen derelict boats there for many years. Two years ago the Treasure Island Authority (land based) got rid of them, BUT they enacted a law that requires registration
, in what are Federal waters. I wrote to the appropriate authorities and Latitude 38, expressing my concern with the legalities of this action. This included my concern that it would make the lawful boaters have to take the brunt of actions of only a dozen bad eggs. As it stands, one is now required to register (they said you could do it by email
, but not everyone has email
on their boats), but it REMAINS UN-ENFORCED and most likely unenforceable UNLESS the authority goes out and buys what’ll most likely be a big-bad-assed powerboat with Gestapo policemen with black boots that will only harass law abiding boaters, and then have the costs of those black booted thugs passed on to boaters in what used to be a nice, small (no big powerboats required) free anchorage! Heck, they could look out the window of the harbor master’s office and figure out who stayed more than a week. The law of unforeseen consequences, and typical government
stupidity. Now everyone who anchors there for even one night is formally doing it illegally. If they did that to get rid of the derelicts, it would be time for them to “undo” the law. Ever see that happen? We need less laws, not more.
That said: the lousy boats are gone and the anchorage is useable again for everyone.
So, good news. BUT the real question remains: Where did those boats go? Some moved to Sausalito, some back to the Estuary. But I don’t recall
if the Authority actually ever “got rid” of any in landfill.
At about the same time, Berkeley had an issue with a bunch of rotting boats in their marina. Latitude 38 reported on this and showed a picture of a string of the boats being towed away! Yea!!! But I don’t recall
what they did with them. There must be somewhere they can got to get cut up and scrapped.
Sausalito has had this issue for as long as I can remember, and haven’t done a thing about it, due, as I understand it, because of the myriad governmental agencies that are involved in the waterways.
We have our version of the “Mothball Fleet” of old WWII vessels. They used to get shipped all the way to Texas
to get scrapped. They finally figured out that it would be less expensive to do it locally. So, the cash starved city of Vallejo, which housed the former and now closed Mare Island Shipyard (where they serviced the nuclear subs) got around to using that old shipyard and having a company scrap those huge steel
ships right here, instead of hauling them, at OUR expense, through the Panama
The real issue is identifying them as “derelicts”, defining just what that is, and removing them. I don’t, nor does this group in this discussion, yet have an answer, although the ALREADY required registration
is a good idea for a start. And something way too easy to check, so the government
probably wouldn’t figure it out...
part is something my marina obviously hasn’t cottoned onto yet! J
Yes, there are BIG issues about defining “derelict” and dealing with societal and attitudinal issues.
But it seems to me that if there was somewhere that “boats could go to die” – like being able to bring your large trash to a city dump - things would start to have a solution.
Let’s say you’re a responsible boater, can’t sell your old boat, and simply want to dispose of it “properly.” Where do you go? Take her out and sink her? Most would say, “Oh My God, NO, you can’t mess up our treasured seabed!!!” The damned environmentalists would have you for lunch. But the government has dumped NUCLEAR waste right off our doorstep here in San Francisco
, less than 30 miles off the coast.
Help me out here. Where would you dispose of your boat? Seems one would need to find a place to get rid of them, like car junkyards.
I don’t know of any. Do you?
No new laws are required (except the ones in Florida
that got rid of the bad local laws), and no new taxes
are required. There are enough existing laws, and freebies that the rich guys and corporations get should be rescinded and they should pay their fair share.
Those laws just aren't being enforced, and everyone complains about when they are stopped and checked...
I object to being stopped and checked. They can’t do that to you on the roads, why on a boat? “They” should go after the “bad guys” but there remains the great issue, as discussed here, as to just what would initiate such an action by the authorities. Those same authorities that are have closed San Diego
Give me a definition please of a derelict boater/drug dealer/ lowlife? Just exactly how do we define the vile person in our mist? or is it the boat we are referring too? Or both. Yes I am being a little cheeky but let's bring this back down earth and suggest real solutions as some have. I am a pretty good troubleshooting kind of person so I am going to suggest we define the problem or problems and then suggest reasonable solutions. Play nice now.
Problem - abandoned boats (no registration and been there for over a month.)
Solution - work with the local police or sheriff office to have it impounded and if the owner can be found fined with storage fees otherwise sold. Any takers to this approach?
This is one post (thanks, Dkdoyle) that makes a LOT of sense.