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Old 25-01-2015, 06:45   #16
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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

My ACCO 5/16 G4 chain, purchased in Oct. 2013 already has significant rust. My old ACCO chain lasted 11 years and about 9.5 years before it showed this much rust. Something definitely changed in the intervening years. Unfortunately the guy I bought it from retired and closed his chandlery.
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Old 25-01-2015, 07:41   #17
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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

Good summary article on chain types...

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Old 25-01-2015, 08:07   #18
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Nope... there are no limits I have discovered. I have gone back almost three years on an item well out of warranty. They don't care. The vendor doesn't have an option but to negotiate because of the contract they have with Visa .
We had a customer suck us into that scam... we built him a Bimini for his boat, the order stated to use the same color and fabric used on his dodger.. We did as he asked and ran his card for the completed project and all was fine for a few weeks until a couple of his friends said he should have had the dodger done also as the colors didnt match, although the dodger had been built a couple years eailer and was faded somewhat.
Yep, he called the card company and they put a debt on my account until the issue was corrected..
He wanted me to build him a new dodger to match the new Bimini..
But as many know, I'm an *******, I asked him if I could have the bimini back to make sure I would get the color right..
He fell for it and brought the unit, complete back to the shop..
The end result, He never did get his bimini back from me, I returned his money, and canceled all use of cards.. worked on cash only..
Sure I lost a customer now and then, But I never got screwed out of any money.......

By the way, called a few of the other canvas shops around the area and told them what he did.. he is still without a bimini on his boat.........
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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

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Budget Marine there sells Maggi chain. First-rate stuff.



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Thanks Mark, I just figured out the Aqua line is Maggi. Need to see if their metric will fit our Maxwell windlass as we are using 5/16th ht now and will check it all out at Budget in a few weeks


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Thanks Mark, I just figured out the Aqua line is Maggi. Need to see if their metric will fit our Maxwell windlass as we are using 5/16th ht now and will check it all out at Budget in a few weeks
Maggi (Aqua4) 8mm fits our Maxwell HRC10 windlass just fine. If yours uses the same gypsy, then you should have no issues.

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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

A few years ago, while shopping for chain in Malaysia, we went to the place that carried Acco. They had had some of the same issues with customers complaining of the chain rusting badly after 6 mos so they no longer carried Acco. I was able to source some (purportedly) Australian chain elsewhere and it has been holding up well for the past 3 years. It seems this is an ongoing problem with Acco and calls into question their quality control.
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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

Has anyone had experience with C M Products chain?
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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

Is everyone aware that ACCO sells both imported chain and chain made in their own factories here in the USA? The imported chain is cheaper than their U.S. made chain.

I wonder if some of these problems might be from their imported chain?
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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

Unless ACCO does some underhanded dealings with their major distributors, mine was not the imported chain.

Having directly dealt with ACCO on this problem, I wouldn't rule out their underhandedness…

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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

Does nyone have a a good source of info on how to calculate what size, breaking strength chain, is recommended for a particular boat?

Our 44' 20 ton steel cutter has 3/8" BBB. is that enough? Should I go to the expense of getting a different gypsie?
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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

I'm a bit perplexed by the original post. If it is to be taken literally, some links in the middle portion of the chain have lost "nearly half of their diameter"... in less than a year. That doesn't sound like a galvanize problem, especially when adjacent links are like new. I can't even imagine how the chain, cut from an essentially endless production process, could vary that much. And several others with identical "rusting only in the center of the length" problems... WTF?

So, I ask the assembled CFers: Can anyone conjure up a process by which such damage could be caused? Beats the hell out of me!

I have had differential rusting in chain, but always at the ends: the working end due to wear and the standing end because it lies in a damp environment at the bottom of the locker, seldom moving or seeing the light of day. And never rusting beyond surface degradation... never significant loss of material.

So, what could cause this? Contamination with some corrosive material? Some sort of electrical leakage that only got to a portion of the chain? Goblins? I'm genuinely curious!

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Does nyone have a a good source of info on how to calculate what size, breaking strength chain, is recommended for a particular boat?

Our 44' 20 ton steel cutter has 3/8" BBB. is that enough? Should I go to the expense of getting a different gypsie?
Answered my own question. Seems Mantus has a good web site on this.


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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

hpeer Thanks-that anchor rode link is great!

I use 5/16 G4 chain & 5/8 twisted 3 strand nylon.
My boat is 10,000-so I'm good. / Len
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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

Jim Cate Several posters have experienced same,over the last 4 yrs.

I don't have an answer-but I will relate a local experience -10+ yrs ago.
We have one floating finger dock in one of the local hbrs.that is anchored by 1" galv chain.(the rest use pilings).We have 28ft tidal range.
Was doing an electronic serv. to vessel & harbourmaster came along-asked me to look at chains.Every one was rusted from surface down about 8 ft depth,& good galv. from there down."What would cause that?-we have to replace chains every few yrs - top is ate up-bottom still galv."
My best guess is -there is more oxygen in upper water & it is regularly stirred by boats coming/going-thus more oxidation??
Just a theory & chains are still doing same today. / Len
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Re: ACCO Chain Failure

G'Day Len, and thanks for the thoughts. I can believe that the corrosion you describe happens just as you think... that's a reasonable hypothesis IMO.

But a very different exposure than that in the OP. I still can't work out how that could happen!

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