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Old 05-02-2018, 15:12   #16
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Re: About the Fisher 34 pilothouse ketch

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A friend is hot on the trail of a Fisher 34 pilothouse ketch he found in Britain, and has asked my opinion. I've never even been aboard one, but agree they might meet his conditions. I was only able to cite the usual concerns about older used boats (in this case including the British electrical difference -he is an American). Aside from the issues raised by the forgoing, his plan is to bring her to the US West Coast via the Panama canal before heading to the South Pacific. Since this will involve a big chunk of open water sailing as well as a major up hill segment, it seemed to me to consider the bona fides of the frequent claim that this model Fisher is a true bluewater boat, and so on. My internet research (no good reason why I did it rather than my friend, but I have less to do) raised some immediate concerns after viewing considerable material. He is an experienced sailor, and would be accompanied by two sailing knowledgeable mid-teen sons. All are in excellent health. My thought are 1/ despite many blue water references, I saw nothing to indicate long voyages actually taken. 2/ Moreover, none of the many , many photos I found, nor any commentary with one exception, depicted any sort of wind vane steering mechanism or auto pilot, at least one which I consider basic to a long range voyage. 3/ The big windows in the pilot house are a concern. Lots of other, but lesser, concerns In any event, all comments by those with actual knowledge would be appreciate. 4/ Virtually all of those I saw appear to use some form of roller furling, not just for the jib, but for the main and mizzen as well. As an unnecessary aside, given my current limits, the design might be wonderful for sailing in southern California. Hmmm. I plan to forward all relevant comments to him upon receipt.
I chartered a 30 many years ago, though a tough built boat, IMHO not a sailing boat. The windward performance was very poor. The name "Fisher" alludes to the sailing ability. "Blue water" forget it unless it's down hill.
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Re: About the Fisher 34 pilothouse ketch

I had two cruising friends with Fishers. One was a 37. They are great blu water boats. A bit old school for sure, but a good tool to get from point A to point B.
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Old 05-02-2018, 16:03   #18
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Re: About the Fisher 34 pilothouse ketch

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We don't see many of these in Ontario and I have only surveyed four Fishers. All four had serious hydrolysis in the bottom which was largely comprised of the cheapest fiberglass possible i.e. chopped glass. I could not determine if it was chopped mat or chopper gun .
Any particular model or builder that you recall? I understand there have been two model changes since the original, and three or four builders over the years.

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I don't see anything there that says the hull is laid up with any specific type of glass. I also said I could not tell if it was chopped mat or chopper gun. Nothing in what you have posted precludes chopped mat in the bottom.
I just copied and pasted from their fact sheet.. not trying to say your right or wrong.
Its just that to me and many other 'novices' hand laid means just that.. hand laid sheets of glass cloth as opposed to chopped matt or gunned.
My only experience glassing a hull was 3 layers of glass cloth and epoxy on a ply Wharram.. cutting and laying pieces of 162gsm and 200gsm woven cloth.
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I just copied and pasted from their fact sheet.. not trying to say your right or wrong.
Its just that to me and many other 'novices' hand laid means just that.. hand laid sheets of glass cloth as opposed to chopped matt or gunned.
My only experience glassing a hull was 3 layers of glass cloth and epoxy on a ply Wharram.. cutting and laying pieces of 162gsm and 200gsm woven cloth.
Chopped mat comes in a roll (photo below) just like woven roving, cloth or bi-ax or any of the dozens of other fiber patterns. Chopped mat is by far the weakest, cheapest and most easily compromised by moisture and hydrolysis.
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Re: About the Fisher 34 pilothouse ketch

From the same era and manufacture style, Fisher and Colvic Watson. Both had their naysayers and proponents.

For the record... I really love them apart from one model... the smaller one, I cant remember which manufacturer was the 24 and 27... but the 34 and 37 I'd be happy on any day of the week...
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From the same era and manufacture style, Fisher and Colvic Watson. Both had their naysayers and proponents.

For the record... I really love them apart from one model... the smaller one, I cant remember which manufacturer was the 24 and 27... but the 34 and 37 I'd be happy on any day of the week...
Colvic Watson.. Fisher was 25, 30, 34, 37.
The smaller Colvic models had bilge plates if memory serves.
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Colvic Watson.. Fisher was 25, 30, 34, 37.
Thanks Phil... mind goes first...

I started with small fishing boats in my teens and moved up to large cruisers, then to crossover motor sailers then to sailing boats....

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Re: About the Fisher 34 pilothouse ketch

and don't forget about the Fisher catamarans. From a profile view they looked exactly the same as the monohulls.
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Chopped mat comes in a roll (photo below) just like woven roving, cloth or bi-ax or any of the dozens of other fiber patterns. Chopped mat is by far the weakest, cheapest and most easily compromised by moisture and hydrolysis.
That's not what I used.. mine was good enough for an itchy suit.
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Fisher 34 boat test - Classic Boat Magazine
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I like them, but they carry a bare minimum of sail. It would be a really slow crossing unless it was really windy.
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I like them, but they carry a bare minimum of sail. It would be a really slow crossing unless it was really windy.
I don't know.. test sail has them doing 6-7kts in 20kts of wind.. what do you want from a heavy 34ftr.???
Most often winds in the trades are 15 to 25kts..
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Colvic Watson.. Fisher was 25, 30, 34, 37.
The smaller Colvic models had bilge plates if memory serves.
But Phil, what about the 32, I know, an Aussie thing but there have been a couple turn up around the world.
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