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28-06-2015, 07:09
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
That is a really nice sailing video, looks like a pleasant crossing.
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28-06-2015, 07:22
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
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I've seen flopper stoppers used a bit. They don't seem to work at all.
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They seem pretty effective here (and the ones in this demo are very much on the small side compared to most I have seen).
https://youtu.be/PprgzrniN60
Check out the difference before and after. The flopper stoppers are deployed around 2m30.
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28-06-2015, 07:37
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
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They seem pretty effective here (and the ones in this demo are very much on the small side compared to most I have seen).
https://youtu.be/PprgzrniN60
Check out the difference before and after. The flopper stoppers are deployed around 2m30.
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Gosh! Is that a design fault with monos? That they require long balancing poles and weights to stop rolling? If you measure the length of the poles, and move them down to the water, you can have stabilising hulls and extra space on board! After all, they are the same width as a multi. Imagine a choppy harbour and all the boats deploy these things....... dangerous place.!
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28-06-2015, 07:40
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#34
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
Mine are as tall as my mizzen mast and have 55 lbs of lead hanging off each side.
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28-06-2015, 07:41
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
As a confessed noob to sailboats and not yet a cruiser I would offer this thought. Putting mono's and multi's on opposite ends of the scale it would seem to me that an ocean-going broad beamed pilothouse would come pretty close to capturing the best of both worlds. It is not an ocean going pilothouse by any means and everything is a compromise, but so far we love the massive space that we get from a new to us Bombay Pilot 31. The ability to sit inside on bad days and still have 360 view plus the large outside cockpit for good days seems a huge plus over previous mono's we have owned. True you take a hit on the pure sailing side but in all honesty for coastal cruising I think it will be fine leaving me thinking that if we ever wish to cross oceans our first choice would be a ocean-going pilothouse.
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28-06-2015, 13:57
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
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I've seen flopper stoppers used a bit. They don't seem to work at all. I've also never found an anchorage where there is much difference for access for a cat than a mono. We draw 1.3m and the average mono maybe 1m more, so what's the difference? We anchor in 2-3m and they anchor in 3-4m but usually we have to allow for swinging and tides and anchor in 6m plus. Maybe specific places like the Bahamas or Whitsunday's are special cases but we are yet to come across any real advantage if a shallower draft. A decent dinghy helps get you to the beach just as fast if you are further out anyway. Rolling at anchor does seem to be a bit of a pita for the leaners, but some more so than others. A traditional steel narrow beam mono seems to roll a lot more then a more modern, wider hull. Depending on where you sail might effect the amount of roll you have to deal with, but in the Caribbean it doesn't seem to be a major problem
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On much of the Queensland coast, shallow draught is a major advantage. Having sailed in company with some mini-keel cat's, even their 1.2 - 1.3 metre draughts can be a PITA at times.
For instance, right now we're tucked up in the SE corner of the Cape Bowling green anchorage, in 20-25 knot wind. Close enough in that we're very comfortable. Our friends in a mini-keel boat have had to anchor about a mile further out, so are experiencing less comfortable conditions.
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28-06-2015, 15:15
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
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Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat
On much of the Queensland coast, shallow draught is a major advantage. Having sailed in company with some mini-keel cat's, even their 1.2 - 1.3 metre draughts can be a PITA at times.
For instance, right now we're tucked up in the SE corner of the Cape Bowling green anchorage, in 20-25 knot wind. Close enough in that we're very comfortable. Our friends in a mini-keel boat have had to anchor about a mile further out, so are experiencing less comfortable conditions.
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The same is true for much of the South Australian coast too. There are lots of shallow anchorages, and sometimes the protection from wind is barely an indentation in the coastline. The ability to get in close makes all the difference, not just to comfort, but also to peace of mind.
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29-06-2015, 02:37
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
[QUOTE=44'cruisingcat;1857679]On much of the Queensland coast, shallow draught is a major advantage. Having sailed in company with some mini-keel cat's, even their 1.2 - 1.3 metre draughts can be a PITA at times.
For instance, right now we're tucked up in the SE corner of the Cape Bowling green anchorage, in 20-25 knot wind. Close enough in that we're very comfortable. Our friends in a mini-keel boat have had to anchor about a mile further out, so are experiencing less comfortable conditions.[/QUOT.
Curious what is your draft?
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29-06-2015, 03:29
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
Curious what is your draft?[/QUOTE]
6-7 tons with outboards and retractable rudders.....
I'm guessing 0.5m.
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29-06-2015, 04:45
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
Okay, I gotta ask...What's 'reasonably blanaced..'?
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29-06-2015, 04:54
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
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Okay, I gotta ask...What's 'reasonably blanaced..'?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
I had a bet with myself that no one would ask.....
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29-06-2015, 06:15
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
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Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat
On much of the Queensland coast, shallow draught is a major advantage. Having sailed in company with some mini-keel cat's, even their 1.2 - 1.3 metre draughts can be a PITA at times.
For instance, right now we're tucked up in the SE corner of the Cape Bowling green anchorage, in 20-25 knot wind. Close enough in that we're very comfortable. Our friends in a mini-keel boat have had to anchor about a mile further out, so are experiencing less comfortable conditions.
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Thanks 44. I can see that it might be an advantage there and even more so with dagger boards. I do like to anchor close in but also like to keep a meter under the keels. I guess in sandy calm conditions I wouldn't be too concerned about resting on the bottom at low tide although if conditions changed it might be a stressful time waiting for the tide to float again!
My dad spends 6 months of the year in Townsville so I guess I'll experience cruising that area at some stage, it looks like fun.
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29-06-2015, 06:44
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
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Okay, I gotta ask...What's 'reasonably blanaced..'?
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That's how you spell "balanced" for those unfortunate souls who are heeling over at 30*.
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29-06-2015, 07:00
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
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Okay, I gotta ask...What's 'reasonably blanaced..'?
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I was wondering if anyone else spotted that!
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While the title of the thread is "reasonably blanaced" I think it does give a reasonably balanced description of SOME of the advantages and disadvantageous of the mono or multi.
Folks have been mentioning the difference in a rolly anchorage. Good point.
That IS something to think about.
I just can't imagine doing without some of my favorite pastimes while cruising and how those might be affected by my choice of a boat, between a Mono or Multi.
Think it will make any difference? ( )
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29-06-2015, 14:07
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re: A Reasonably Balanced Article.
Yep, there's a typo. And I don't know how to edit the title.
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