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Old 17-10-2013, 14:51   #16
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Re: 50ft monhull vs 44ft cat

I'll take the one crewed by a competent skipper, thanks
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I'll take the one crewed by a competent skipper, thanks
Mono with good skipper
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Old 17-10-2013, 15:34   #19
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But isn't a cat with a bad skipper more seaworthy than a mono with a good skipper? :-)
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First off all boats can sink even catamarans. So taking that argument completely out of the mix that leaves you with capsizing. (in this example anyways).

I've been knocked down in a 30ft catalina (water pouring into the cockpit) she weather helmed and came right back up. If I had done the same thing in a catamaran I would have been screwed. ( now I know it is harder to do on a catamaran but it is still possible) and before you get all hurt I love catamarans. I've chartered a couple and enjoyed them very much.

However if I were to be crossing an ocean I would feel much more comfortable in a mono knowing that if things get bad I can button up the hatches and if we get rolled the "lead" will eventually get the big metal pole pointing upwards again and I can continue on.
Ill bet the winds it took to lnock you down would have been great sailing on a cat....
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Re: 50ft monhull vs 44ft cat

Having had both a 47 mono and then a 42 cat, I can say the cat will carry a load better. Frankly though, I think a mono is safer. Just not convinced all cats will float that long upside down and you might be lucky to survive the overturn. Wouldnt likely make me refuse to go with a cat though. JMHO
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Re: 50ft monhull vs 44ft cat

I am not getting into the purile and frankly pointless conversation. But Cheechako, surely it doesnt matter if all cats will float, what matters is that the one you choose will?

We now from direct evidence that at least one model of lagoon sinks, we know from direct evidence that A fastback 43 will refuse to sink even if you are a skipper trying to scuttle her. I am confident that I could pick one that would float.
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Re: 50ft monhull vs 44ft cat

What is patently obvious here that if you prefer catamarans, the answer is a catamaran, but if you prefer monohulls, the answer is a monohull (no surprises there, Sherlock). From that we can conclude that it doesn't matter which one. And has been pointed out already which specific monohull or which specific catamaran is far more important than monohull versus catamaran. My oft repeated line is that if you had to ask the question you ain't gonna understand the answer...
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Ill bet the winds it took to lnock you down would have been great sailing on a cat....
Maybe I misspoke. The knock down was a blast I had a hoot, especially since it was midnight with no moon and was pitch black out (talk about adrenaline).

However my wife who was sitting on the lee side of the cockpit and got soaked from the waist down........some how her funometer remembers it quite differently then I do. I guess different strokes for different folks.
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Re: 50ft monhull vs 44ft cat

That racing trimaran that recently capsized is a prime reason that I'd never single hand a multi across the ocean. If there is no one at the helm to react to a sudden gust of wind, it is too easy to expose the dark side of a multi. Looked like the tri was running on auto pilot handily under control with both crew on the windward ama or trampoline. When the gust hit, they couldn't dump the main sheet or head off the wind. Result was an excruciatingly slow roll up to the point of no return.

From memory, it looked like the tri heeled so it's rudder was out of the water. That precluded steering the boat out of trouble. With no steering input, the boat just sat there and slowly continued heeling till it went beyond the point it could recover. Dumping the main might have saved them but neither crew was in a position to do that. A catamaran would have kept one rudder in the water but may have been quicker to roll to a point where it couldn't recover. In any case, without someone on the helm to make split second heading and sail condition changes, they are too prone to prone to floating upside down.

As I've said before, it's little consolation that the boat will float upside down if you drown because you get tangled in rigging or knocked unconscious as the boat goes over. That happened to an acquaintance on a tri. Found the boat turned turtle with the crew drowned and him missing.
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As we don't drink beer, we would go with the one with the best freezer and the best cook !!
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Old 17-10-2013, 19:06   #28
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That racing trimaran that recently capsized is a prime reason that I'd never single hand a multi across the ocean. If there is no one at the helm to react to a sudden gust of wind, it is too easy to expose the dark side of a multi. Looked like the tri was running on auto pilot handily under control with both crew on the windward ama or trampoline. When the gust hit, they couldn't dump the main sheet or head off the wind. Result was an excruciatingly slow roll up to the point of no return. From memory, it looked like the tri heeled so it's rudder was out of the water. That precluded steering the boat out of trouble. With no steering input, the boat just sat there and slowly continued heeling till it went beyond the point it could recover. Dumping the main might have saved them but neither crew was in a position to do that. A catamaran would have kept one rudder in the water but may have been quicker to roll to a point where it couldn't recover. In any case, without someone on the helm to make split second heading and sail condition changes, they are too prone to prone to floating upside down. As I've said before, it's little consolation that the boat will float upside down if you drown because you get tangled in rigging or knocked unconscious as the boat goes over. That happened to an acquaintance on a tri. Found the boat turned turtle with the crew drowned and him missing.
I don't think anyone would sail one of the AC catamarans across the Atlantic either. Doesn't seem fair to use a full out race boat that will do speeds a mono could never dream of as an example of why you wouldn't sail a very distant cousin, a slower cruising cat, across an ocean. Doesn't bring any relevance to the conversation.
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I don't think anyone would sail one of the AC catamarans across the Atlantic either. Doesn't seem fair to use a full out race boat that will do speeds a mono could never dream of as an example of why you wouldn't sail a very distant cousin, a slower cruising cat, across an ocean. Doesn't bring any relevance to the conversation.
Exactly, moderatly rigged cruising cats and tris bear no resemblance to the full on racing machines and shouldnt be saddled with their. Reputation
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Old 17-10-2013, 19:40   #30
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Thank you for all the input.
Let say a jeanueau oceania 50 to a lagoon 440!
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