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Old 18-12-2011, 01:53   #16
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Not that I have any desire to burst your bubble but it does say, "The family had set out to sail the catamaran home to Western Australia", and the last time I checked sail means, well, sail doesn't it?
Its not my bubble buddy. I was just trying to bring some facts into the issue. A power cat is little different to a power mono or a power tri hull. If they dont have built in flotation they will fill and sink. A sailing cat is vastly different to a sailing mono - small matter of ballast etc. As for "setting sail" I just read an account of the Titanic, where it note that it set sail on its maiden voyage, the thing below has listed on its web site, SAILING DATES for 2012, as does every cruise ship. Cant see to many sails on it.

So no - sail does not necessarily mean sticks and rags.

Just sayin (BTW what does that actually mean - I see it often used by my colleagues in north america and I dont quite understand it.)
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Old 18-12-2011, 02:25   #17
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Re: 2 yachts sink in QLD

I have some facts to add to the discussion- the PERCY Island sinking - No 1 above - appears to relate to MSQ Notice to Mariners item:

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Outside pilotage areas Locality: Percy Isles, off Mackay Activity: Vessel sunk
Mariners are advised that an 11 metre steel, sailing catamaran has been reported sunk in approximate position Latitude 2148.18'S, Longitude 15023.70'E, 3.5 nm SE of South Percy Island. .
So sailing boat yes, according to MSQ - I would like to get more details on the design etc, but a steel cat, any steel boat is pretty much going to the bottom if holed, mono multi or tri.

I have not actually ever seen a steel cat, plenty of nice aluminium ones, but never steel.
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Old 18-12-2011, 03:04   #18
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I have not actually ever seen a steel cat, plenty of nice aluminium ones, but never steel.
Of course you have, mate. Steve Kenyon of The Coastal Passage has been trying to sell his recently. It's a Boden 11 metre thing. Boden Boat Plans

I'm no catspert, but I don't recon that it is a design that would win any races or would have much in the way of reserve buoyancy. Perhaps the only race it might have a chance of winning is a race to the bottom with a similarly holed lead bottom mono.
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Old 18-12-2011, 04:33   #19
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Re: 2 yachts sink in QLD

I can help you with the 2nd Cat with the family of 4 heading to W.A, it is a 50ft Harris cat, I have been on it and it belonged to a mate of mine, he sold it to this bloke, who put a deposit down, had it slipped, surveyed then went on to spending about 30K on it before, finalising deal. He put new Fuel tanks in, (huge tanks) and filled them chockers before he left, I think he may have had too much fuel on board, and changed the stability of the boat, tanks were connected to each other, to keep boat stable, maybe the fuel went over to Port side, and overflowed into Port bilge. I do not understand why when it was low on one side, bilge pump not coping, that he did not beach it somewhere, there is plenty of spots in Shoalwater Bay where it sank.
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Old 18-12-2011, 05:17   #20
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apparently - setting sail actually didn't mean sailing.
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Old 18-12-2011, 05:38   #21
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Re: 2 yachts sink in QLD

losing a boat you got days ao - that sucks

(why are you guys engaged in a stupid word battle, let it go)
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(BTW what does that actually mean - I see it often used by my colleagues in north america and I dont quite understand it.)
It's an Acronym>>>>> Acronyms | 500 most common used acronyms
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This is how I like to think Aussies really are (not as per a recent thread )........"f#ck, me boats sunk - No worries, I'll row to shore" .....only another 4 hours to go before he was rescued.
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Well that puts paid to the claim that multihulls dont sink.
So if two monohulls failed to right themselves, Autissier & Bullimore for instance, would that "put paid" to the claim that monohulls self right?

A steel boat can sink, regardless of how many hulls it has. An aluminium boat too, also solid glass.

A modern CORED multihull won't sink. Just like some monohulls - ETAP, or the Boston whaler powerboats, for instance. If the boat when flooded, displaces an amount of water which weighs more than the boat does, it won't sink. It CANT sink.

Archimedes figured this out over 2000 years ago, yet some people still find it hard to grasp.

Anyway, it's good to know the crews are safe.
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Sorry - I wasnt asking what BTW means, I was asking what "Just Sayin" means, its usually seen at the end of a post, usually after what could be construed as a negative comment.
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Sorry - I wasnt asking what BTW means, I was asking what "Just Sayin" means, its usually seen at the end of a post, usually after what could be construed as a negative comment.
Sorry! Some quote marks ("?") around the words would have helped. Have you tried googling the words?

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Re: 2 yachts sink in QLD

Not a steel cat but a tri. Could someone please tell me why this has been for sale for a couple of years?
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"Just sayin" is often used when someone is quoting someone else or making a somewhat vague assertion with no real basis to back it up. For instance. I heard the steel tris are slower than molassas. I'm just sayin.

It is a fact that many cats and tris with cored construction will not sink because all those itty bitty air pockets in the core will offset the weight of the boat. They might sink a good amount but still be bobbing at the surface. It would still suck BOB
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Cause its a steel trimaran - seriously. And its way expensive for what it is.
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Not a steel cat but a tri. Could someone please tell me why this has been for sale for a couple of years?
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"Just sayin" is often used when someone is quoting someone else or making a somewhat vague assertion with no real basis to back it up. For instance. I heard the steel tris are slower than molassas. I'm just sayin.

It is a fact that many cats and tris with cored construction will not sink because all those itty bitty air pockets in the core will offset the weight of the boat. They might sink a good amount but still be bobbing at the surface. It would still suck BOB
sounds like it would make a great mooring if sunk in the right place...........
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Sorry - I wasnt asking what BTW means, I was asking what "Just Sayin" means, its usually seen at the end of a post, usually after what could be construed as a negative comment.
Usually at the end of a lighthearted comment that was delivered with a straight face.........with or without dig at someone else or self.

A bit too subtle for some. Especially on the internet for humourless people .

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