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Old 21-05-2011, 11:38   #76
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Old 21-05-2011, 11:44   #77
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everyone grumpy here...even moderators grumpy!!

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Old 21-05-2011, 12:02   #78
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Re: Watch Out for This Guy in the B.V.I.'s

My first thought on viewing the video was to be uber impressed with how well everyone behaved in the midst of some chaos. That hasn't changed.

But on reflection the whole situation and how that charter GOT to where it was has been on my mind, and reviewing the posts here has me really thinking about it.

Because the posts we have all been putting up don't have as much to do with the folly of credit card captains, as with the challenges we all face when starting or stopping our vessels, sail, twin prop outboard or whatever.

And I am thinking how in my years boating my best AND worst moments have been at the beginning and end of the day.

I prided myself on my slick docking technique in our old school chris crafts, and was secretly tickled when the old salts hangin out watching complimented me on my skill with what are notoriously difficult boats to handle at low speeds.

And I am secretly relived every time I get one of the sailboats out and (especially) in to our windy and tight slips.

And I was mortified on a regular basis while we were working out the technical difficulties with our outboards and lack of power and looked like we were playing a very spastic form of pinball in the marina...

But I have never EVER docked (or anchored or moored) in a way that had me scared that I was going to hurt someone. Worried I might ding up a paint job? Yeah. Dreading looking like an idiot? sure. but never have I needed to be concerned I was putting anyone at risk, or in danger of doing actual damage to someone else boat.

So what went wrong here?

In the end no one was hurt, or even at risk. But clearly it was a fair bit of luck that it didn't go that far south, and of course LOTS of aid and assistance that short-circuited the potential for any big disaster.

How did the guy at the helm of that boat not have the little internal warning that I know I get when I am approaching a situation that has the potential to go south that badly.

What thought process let him, under sail, not motor (all argument about mowing down swimmers aside it looked pretty clear to me that for me at least this would have been an under power maneuver, with that handy reverse thrust if I needed it at hand), cruise into the busy anchorage?

Even the briefest lessons in the smallest of sail boats should have given him that internal sense. But it didn't. Everyone here, the novices and the most experienced among us here seem to carry a strong sense of wariness about care and safe practice when in situations like this.

Everyone worries (in the sense that either they know they are not yet expert at it, or are expert and thus know how bad it can get) about starting and stopping.

It seem like there must have been something else at play here, but I can not imagine what it is.
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Old 21-05-2011, 12:10   #79
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Re: Watch Out for This Guy in the B.V.I.'s

The anchorage in the video was on Anegada in the BVIs. You'd have to be crazy or drunk to sail into that anchorage. Many of the charter companies put it off limits because of the coral heads and somewhat tricky entrance, depending on the sunlight. Inside, there are some moorings but most boats anchor, and it can get quite crowded.
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Old 21-05-2011, 12:19   #80
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It seem like there must have been something else at play here, but I can not imagine what it is.
Yes indeed....and all this second guessing about things isn't really healthy or beneficial IMHO. It might be nice for venting or for posturing, but we weren't there and don't know the whole truth about the situation or what really happened. Its a lot of post mortum stuff, even from the charter people who were supposedly witnesses. So why so serios?
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Re: Watch Out for This Guy in the B.V.I.'s

Watching others anchor is a spectator sport. The greater the screw-ups, the more fun it is to sit back and take it all in. I found the video entertaining as hell but kept putting myself in the charter skippers position at each step in the debacle and wondered what I would do... so from that point of view, it was instructive.
I must admit, I'm somewhat amazed at the varied responses the video generated... Capt Phil
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Sorry, I didn't mean to posture or vent... I have just been thinking on it is all.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to posture or vent... I have just been thinking on it is all.
Any chance you can do the posture that woman in the cute suit did?
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Sorry, I didn't mean to posture or vent... I have just been thinking on it is all.
you weren't...

i agreed w/ you...and i didn't really use the most clear words...
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you weren't...

i agreed w/ you...and i didn't really use the most clear words...
ah, ok.

More of that clear as mudd communication we all get morassed in occasionally ; -)


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Any chance you can do the posture that woman in the cute suit did?
yeah I can... but NOT in that itty bitty excuse fer a bikini bottom!!!

.. she did look good though...
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ah, ok.

More of that clear as mudd communication we all get morassed in occasionally ; -)




yeah I can... but NOT in that itty bitty excuse fer a bikini bottom!!!

.. she did look good though...
WHY NOT?????? bet you would look GOOD in it gonna get banned now,,,, flirting with the moderator
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I believe people here have not received their daily ration of sauerkraut from the Admirals today.
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I believe people here have not received their daily ration of sauerkraut from the Admirals today.
I was lucky that I got my ration of hard tack and biscuits along with a cup of grog
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