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Old 04-10-2013, 18:49   #31
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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I may be off topic a bit but do cruisers carry anything on their boats to protect themselves from people like this?

And prayers for the victims...
brains and preparation...survival instincts need to be honed and every item on your boat needs to become a lethal weapon in your hands...to say gun, knife, aerosol is foolish because you may or may not have it handy...your brain and your ability to take action into your own hands is the only answer...

If you can't you are a victim (dead or alive)..but if you can...you can become the victor by any means necessary.

I know this is foreign to many...but mentality and training can make it possible. While martial arts are one direction you can go...I prefer the military training provided by many governments around the world to their LEOs and spec ops teams. When they trained me on how to use a retractable government issue ball point pen to disable and/or kill a person...I knew that always having my firearms at hand was not nearly as important as keeping a clear mind.
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Old 04-10-2013, 18:59   #32
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I may be off topic a bit but do cruisers carry anything on their boats to protect themselves from people like this?

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Not off topic at all. This is a really controversial subject and the particulars of the situation probably dictate whether using protective force would help, or make the situation far worse. That said, in this case I think I would prefer to light up the chest of someone coming on my boat with a machete with a laser sight on an LCP Ruger that fits in any pocket than try to defend my loved ones with kitchen utensils. Yes, you can get into a lot of trouble with firearms on board, so it really becomes a question of what risk you feel more comfortable with - your ability to hide a 4" x 4" piece of metal or hoping if you are attacked on board, your attacker is not a psychopath.
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

Gee, I guess Im gonna have to get some new"special 10 gauge FLARES" Im down to 5 I think!! They are so noisey we used a few up on new years !! LOL I guess we have been lucky, we are old and anchor in places like this as much as we can!! I guess we just look broke ?? Or we are just lucky ? I don't know. But Im thinking about where a gun locker will go on a small Cat !
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Been to Union Island on a charter boat. Seemed like a nice place.
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Is that a random statement or did you actually have any facts to support that? I say this only to prevent a watering down of the incident at hand.
You could google Abe Lebewohl, as one example.

That aside, I agree that the incident at hand is severely problematic.
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I may be off topic a bit but do cruisers carry anything on their boats to protect themselves from people like this?

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I see that you only have a few posts, so you may be unaware of the way that any weapon related conversations here tend to degenerate & get locked. On another board, I might choose to discuss this subject in detail. Here I will choose to only say that of the many boaters I know, a small percentage are well armed. Another small percentage are casually armed & most are not armed, or at least do not admit to it.
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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Now, I have been to most of the islands in the West Indies and always regarded Grenada as one of the best but there are many desperate people in these "have not" nations and their attitude towards "first world" visitors seems to be changing.

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The assault was not in Grenada but the next country up: St Vincent and the Grenadines. The injured were transported to Grenada as it has better facilities, is safe, and the locals love the cruisers.


Re Guns... to those that want to kill the assailant/s...: the person with the machete is 15. You would have killed a child.


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Which places would those be? The odds of you getting shot on the way to the corner deli in New York are thousands of times higher than some lunatic boarding your boat with a machete.

Lets not bash a beautiful destination because of some rotten apples...
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

Well all I can say is if a 15yr old is cutting my wife with a machete Im going to try my best to see he don't get to 16 !! Just my 2 cents
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Well all I can say is if a 15yr old is cutting my wife with a machete Im going to try my best to see he don't get to 16 !! Just my 2 cents
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Re Guns... to those that want to kill the assailant/s...: the person with the machete is 15. You would have killed a child. Mark
That "child" relinquished his right to life when he chose to attack an innocent person with a deadly weapon. The well being of innocents should always outweigh that of criminals.
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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Re Guns... to those that want to kill the assailant/s...: the person with the machete is 15. You would have killed a child.


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This is a hard one. I've seen some big, strong, scary 15 year olds...
It was an adult crime, not just a bit of graffiti.
Maybe just chop a hand off...

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Re Guns... to those that want to kill the assailant/s...: the person with the machete is 15. You would have killed a child. Mark
A 15yo coming at me with a machete is no damn child
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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This is a hard one. I've seen some big, strong, scary 15 year olds...
It was an adult crime, not just a bit of graffiti.
Maybe just chop a hand off...

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Unless you're defending yourself with a salad fork, you use the weapon to suggest to the assailant that continuing with whatever plan they have isn't going to work out well, and that perhaps swimming to shore would be more prudent. If that doesn't seem convincing, then you are dealing with a psycho. With a machete.
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