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19-09-2012, 13:37
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
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Posts: 49,139
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
I suspect that suicide may present a significantly greater "life" danger to most Caribbean cruisers, than would piracy.
Notwithstanding, petty theft is endemic throughout the world.
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Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"
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19-09-2012, 14:19
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#17
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,480
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Re: One More
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuteman
Venezuela & their islands used to be a popular destination and/or stopping off point however more than a few violent incidents have many(if not most) people now avoiding & giving their waters a wide berth...
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"No go" area per my insurance policy.
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19-09-2012, 14:29
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#18
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,480
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay
I suspect that suicide may present a significantly greater "life" danger to most Caribbean cruisers, than would piracy.
Notwithstanding, petty theft is endemic throughout the world.
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Really? I only know of one suicide among the cruising community here in the NW carib. But, that does not include a few who drank themselves to death.
In terms of true life-or-death danger, I only know of a couple of deaths that have occurred in robberies-on-the-water-gone-bad (AKA "piracy") here in the NW Carib.
While not technically "life-or-death" there have been a couple of instances in recent years where victims were raped, repeatedly in some cases, a particularly brutal and life altering twist on an already unpleasant event.
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19-09-2012, 14:53
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#19
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: San Diego
Boat: Pearson 39-2 "Sea Story"
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Quote:
Originally Posted by belizesailor
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That probably has more to do with politics than security.
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19-09-2012, 15:01
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#20
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Nanny State
Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad
Posts: 594
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
I wish someone would stop Pirates of the Caribbean! I hate that movie, and think it's stupid that there are sequels to it!!
Oh, this is about different ones...my bad!
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A 14-foot mini-cruiser is minimalist. A 19ft is comfortable, and anything much larger than a 25 borders on ostentatious.
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19-09-2012, 17:39
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#21
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenhand
That probably has more to do with politics than security.
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Could be, Cuba is of course another area with no coverage.
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19-09-2012, 19:29
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Boat: Union Polaris 36
Posts: 153
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
If you stick to the beaten path, and avoid the "bad" areas you will be fine. My suggestion is get a dog, they are the best defence for your boat down here. We are in bocas and were there when the attack happened. Police down here are not to concerned about cruisers except as a source of money. You roll into town on a boat that is worth more than the locals will make in their life time, you can expect a bit of thieving to happen.
Go to noonsite, talk to fellow cruisers, take precautions and make your way along. Anywhere where you stick out or there is easy access for poor people to take stuff, lock it up.
I suggest a tazer beside your pillow and a dog on the boat. No one is likely to board a boat with a dog on it down here, and if they do they will get tazered (plus tazers are not firearms and don't have to be declared upon entering a country).
my 2 cents
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19-09-2012, 20:12
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#23
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Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Naples, FL
Boat: Beneteau Oceanis 400
Posts: 669
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
I like the dog idea, not quite sure about the tazer. I would have to think that if someone was trying to board my boat, they would also have a gun. If I pointed a tazer at someone with a gun and I was that close to them to taze them then I would expect to get shot. For me, I am going to pull my gun out and use it if something like this happens, if I didn't feel comfortable using a gun, I wouldn't carry one.
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19-09-2012, 21:01
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Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: New South Wales, Australia
Boat: Prout Event 34
Posts: 251
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
Wow... you can forecast piracy? By all means please provide a link...
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20-09-2012, 07:22
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Location: Vancouver, BC
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
Guns are fine, but most countries want them handed in while you are there. Shooting someone with an illegal unregistered gun is a one way ticket to jail.
At least with a tazer you won't hesitate to shoot anyone, even if it happens to be a kid or drunk cruiser who got on the wrong boat in the dark.
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20-09-2012, 07:37
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Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Naples, FL
Boat: Beneteau Oceanis 400
Posts: 669
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
I would not advocate owning an unregistered or illegal gun. All of my guns are legal, and as such are legel to have on the boat as boat equipment if they are handled correctly. I am not the type of person that shots first and asks questions later, do accidents happen, I am sure they do. If having a gun on my own boat was illegal in a locaton that I was in, and some one attempted to board it without permittion and was trying to rob or harm me then I would rather them dead then me. I will defend myself to the athoritys, if it comes to that. I guess what I am trying to say is, I would rather be alive and wrong , then dead and right.
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20-09-2012, 07:39
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Cayuga Lake NY - or on the boat somewhere south of there
Boat: Caliber 40
Posts: 1,355
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
alive and wrong and in jail is the likeliest outcome. Your gun rights are whatever your host country says they are. You are a guest. Their country, their rules.
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20-09-2012, 07:44
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#29
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Naples, FL
Boat: Beneteau Oceanis 400
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Re: Piracy in Caribbean
Quote:
Originally Posted by sck5
alive and wrong and in jail is the likeliest outcome. Your gun rights are whatever your host country says they are. You are a guest. Their country, their rules.
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So you are saying you would rather be dead and right, that fine, just not for me.
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20-09-2012, 07:48
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#30
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: San Diego
Boat: Pearson 39-2 "Sea Story"
Posts: 1,109
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sck5
alive and wrong and in jail is the likeliest outcome. Your gun rights are whatever your host country says they are. You are a guest. Their country, their rules.
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And in many third world, in jail is as goos as dead. Also, most of the world does not operate under the principle of "innocent until proven guilty."
US consulates do hold sway in many parts of the world, but often the most peaceful and the most violent places are the most serious about gun control.
Personally, I think if we are going to let just about anyone have a gun, we should have training for everyone, like the Swiss and the Israelis, to give two examples with very different results.
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