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Old 11-01-2019, 06:16   #31
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Subtracting what a Panama agent says he is charging from what you paid him to get the Canal fee might not be too accurate. The ACP publishes their tolls online.
Handline vessels to 50ft are usd$800
50ft to 80 $1300
The canal doesn't charge any extra fees.

Line and tire rental from taxi driver is another $100.

I've done 6 transits, in both directions, and never had any trouble getting cruisers and friends to line handle. I have also seen some wildly incompetent hired local linehandlers.

Receipt from agent in hand:
Canal fee +7% tax $1053
Inspection (admeasurer) $55
Agent fee (includes lines and fenders) $350
Line handlers $300
Total $1758 (I transposed two numbers earlier)


At Shelter Bay, some boats had success finding cruisers to handle lines, some did not. In addition, some line handlers have notices on the bulletin board at $100/day. Most of the boats at the time we went through used an agent. Our line handlers were excellent.


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Old 11-01-2019, 12:35   #32
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Re: Panama or Overland Mexico / US?

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Receipt from agent in hand:
Canal fee +7% tax $1053
Inspection (admeasurer) $55
Agent fee (includes lines and fenders) $350
Line handlers $300
Total $1758 (I transposed two numbers earlier)


At Shelter Bay, some boats had success finding cruisers to handle lines, some did not. In addition, some line handlers have notices on the bulletin board at $100/day. Most of the boats at the time we went through used an agent. Our line handlers were excellent.


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I understand you have a receipt from the agent. If your boat is under 50ft the transit fee is $800, so your agent over charged you. Last passage I did the Admeasurer was no fee.
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Old 11-01-2019, 14:52   #33
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Receipt from agent in hand:
Canal fee +7% tax $1053
Inspection (admeasurer) $55
Agent fee (includes lines and fenders) $350
Line handlers $300
Total $1758 (I transposed two numbers earlier)


At Shelter Bay, some boats had success finding cruisers to handle lines, some did not. In addition, some line handlers have notices on the bulletin board at $100/day. Most of the boats at the time we went through used an agent. Our line handlers were excellent.


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I understand you have a receipt from the agent. If your boat is under 50ft the transit fee is $800, so your agent over charged you. Last passage I did the Admeasurer was no fee.
Just confirmed on ACP site, toll for vessels <= 50' is $800.

Full text re tolls:

https://www.pancanal.com/eng/op/tolls.html
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Old 12-01-2019, 03:44   #34
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Just confirmed on ACP site, toll for vessels <= 50' is $800.

Full text re tolls:

https://www.pancanal.com/eng/op/tolls.html
Hmmm...something went wrong w that post...it should read:

...tolls for vessels 50' or less is $800.
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Old 18-01-2019, 07:29   #35
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Thanks guys! That pretty much answers that one. Are cats charged a surcharge for transiting vs mono’s?

So the issue with Australian quarantine is one of cost and time. Minimum time for a dog in quarantine is 10 days and $1900 IF they’ve spent the last 6 months in a rabies-free country and had a variety of shots. I’ll have to check, but I believe if the animal hasn’t met that 6 month rule, they either can’t come in or have to significantly longer in q.

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What makes you think the US is rabies free? It's NOT rabies free. I think you should check with AUS quarantine to see if there's any benefit in going through the US.
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Can't you just say you bought the dog in Fiji on the way home or something? Who's to know? Does the dog have a passport or something? Keep him away from other animals going through Panama and his chances of infection would be zero right?


Or fly the dog across America and pick him up on other side when your through. Cheaper than shipping your entire boat.
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What makes you think the US is rabies free? It's NOT rabies free. I think you should check with AUS quarantine to see if there's any benefit in going through the US.
Do you not think I’ve already done my homework before reaching out to the forum??

Australian Quarantine classes the US as rabies-free (or close to that) so it’s relatively easy to bring a dog from there.

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Can't you just say you bought the dog in Fiji on the way home or something? Who's to know? Does the dog have a passport or something? Keep him away from other animals going through Panama and his chances of infection would be zero right?


Or fly the dog across America and pick him up on other side when your through. Cheaper than shipping your entire boat.
Yep, that’s not a bad idea either. The current view of the Aussie Gov vet is that if I sail with him to Fiji, we both have to spend 6 weeks there before I can fly him back. It’s only a four hour flight from there as well which is MUCH better.

So far all the US airlines I’ve spoken to won’t fly him back to Aus as the flight’s longer than 12 hours, so the options are:

1.) Fly him back from the UK then sail back over the course of 6 months.

2.) Sail back and stop for 6 weeks in Fiji, then fly him back from there and sail into QLD.

Still plenty of time to work on it but I think it’ll be option 2 to be honest!

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Cannot imagine the cost to haul a 23 ft wide cat across US. Probably more than value of boat.
We went thru canal in 2014. Total cost excluding time at Shelter Bay Marina about $1300usd. That included lines and tires and the advisor. We are a cat 42X23 feet.
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We found Oz/NZ to be uber first world...everything orderly and efficient...its been a bit of reverse culture shock returning to the colorful chaos of Central America...where problems like this can usually be solved easily & unofficially.
There is no Rabies in Australia and NZ and a lot of time and money is spent by Australian and NZ tax payers to keep it that way.

If you bring a dog from the USA it will be in quarantine for months and the cost is over $6000.

Please do not think you can solve the problem “unofficially”.

You will be jailed and the dog killed.

Australia and NZ are countries that you can not bribe officials. If you think so, please do not come south.
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There is no Rabies in Australia and NZ and a lot of time and money is spent by Australian and NZ tax payers to keep it that way.

If you bring a dog from the USA it will be in quarantine for months and the cost is over $6000.

Please do not think you can solve the problem “unofficially”.

You will be jailed and the dog killed.

Australia and NZ are countries that you can not bribe officials. If you think so, please do not come south.
I would not expect solve anything "unofficially" in NZ/AU, I was referring to Central America where that is how the system works.
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Re: Panama or Overland Mexico / US?

I see one additional solution.

Sell the boat, fly to Oz, buy a new boat.

I’m shocked this hasent devolved into a “cats vs dogs” pun fest.
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I see one additional solution.

Sell the boat, fly to Oz, buy a new boat.

I’m shocked this hasent devolved into a “cats vs dogs” pun fest.
If only it was that easy.... 40ft cat in Aus is double the price (at least) of the one I bought in the UK....

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I see one additional solution.

Sell the boat, fly to Oz, buy a new boat.

I’m shocked this hasent devolved into a “cats vs dogs” pun fest.
But selling the cat doesnt solve the dog problem, selling the dog does.
Is that an option?
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