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Old 08-02-2013, 12:07   #211
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Re: More Bad News for Caribbean Coral Reefs

about a thousand posts ago was a bit of BS that went unchallenged because my laptop battery died in the butt..

the UK Daily Mail said there hasnt been any warming for 17 years.
The bit of BS was that the met office of the UK denied the report. Well they didnt deny it, nor could they, because they had to admit it was true and they had released the facts... and another good fact or two, too.... that the UK has only increased in temp by 0.75 degree Celsius in the last 140 years.

So taken with the fact that the USA has not experienced any temperature rise either the waffle is not getting past many smarter people on the planet. If scientists think they can ride rough-shod over the populous they need to get some facts together.

Otherwise the scientists should go back to saving the world through cancer cures etc.
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Old 08-02-2013, 12:10   #212
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"So taken with the fact that the USA has not experienced any temperature rise either"

How odd, either I've been repeatedly deceived, or you're talking about that little town in Japan called "USA" where they make all the fine souvenirs?
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Old 08-02-2013, 12:18   #213
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USA: I grew up with that urban myth too. At least I thought it was mythical.
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Old 08-02-2013, 12:28   #214
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Old 08-02-2013, 12:46   #215
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it always cracks me up to read of the dangers of global warming caused by CO2 due to burning fossil fuels from people's carbon footprints ...............................

on a computer
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A problem with many people on the right hand end of the political spectrum, when they consider the possibility of humans causing climate change, is that they confuse what is unpalatable with what is untrue.

Which is perhaps a confusion more usually associated with the left (eg "political correctness")

And in both cases the chosen antidote is essentially the same: wishful thinking.

It's a stupid and dangerous mindset, regardless of who is adopting it, I reckon.
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A problem with many people on the right hand end of the political spectrum, when they consider the possibility of humans causing climate change, is that they confuse what is unpalatable with what is untrue.

Which is perhaps a confusion more usually associated with the left (eg "political correctness")

And in both cases the chosen antidote is essentially the same: wishful thinking.

It's a stupid and dangerous mindset, regardless of who is adopting it, I reckon.
Nice Troup, we all appreciate your unambiguous insights. Thanks
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about a thousand posts ago was a bit of BS that went unchallenged because my laptop battery died in the butt..

the UK Daily Mail said there hasnt been any warming for 17 years.
The bit of BS was that the met office of the UK denied the report. Well they didnt deny it, nor could they, because they had to admit it was true and they had released the facts... and another good fact or two, too.... that the UK has only increased in temp by 0.75 degree Celsius in the last 140 years.

So taken with the fact that the USA has not experienced any temperature rise either the waffle is not getting past many smarter people on the planet. If scientists think they can ride rough-shod over the populous they need to get some facts together.

Otherwise the scientists should go back to saving the world through cancer cures etc.
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An article by David Rose appears today in the Mail on Sunday under the title: ‘Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released… and here is the chart to prove it’

It is the second article Mr Rose has written which contains some misleading information, after he wrote an article earlier this year on the same theme – you see our response to that one here.

To address some of the points in the article published today:

Firstly, the Met Office has not issued a report on this issue. We can only assume the article is referring to the completion of work to update the HadCRUT4 global temperature dataset compiled by ourselves and the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit.

We announced that this work was going on in March and it was finished this week. You can see the HadCRUT4 website here.

Secondly, Mr Rose says the Met Office made no comment about its decadal climate predictions. This is because he did not ask us to make a comment about them.
Met Office in the Media: 14 October 2012 « Met Office News Blog

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Why the Mail on Sunday was wrong to claim global warming has stopped | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Temperature increases by country
http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/country-list/

Check out the US
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"from people's carbon footprints ...............................

on a computer "

Don, you've got a great point. Sending postcards would sequestor WAY more carbon.
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Well, in the end it's not about warming, it's Environmental Justice. By extension we can expect this policy to be extended globally, with poorer nations demanding reparations from the wealthy. From the Current EPA Draft on Climate Change Priorities.

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The impacts of climate change raise environmental justice issues. Environmental justice focuses on the health of and environmental conditions affecting minority, low-income, and indigenous populations. EPA places emphasis on these populations because they have historically been exposed to a combination of physical, chemical, biological, social, and cultural factors that have imposed greater environmental burdens on them than those imposed on the general population. Climate change is likely to exacerbate existing and introduce new environmental burdens and associated health impacts in communities dealing with environmental justice challenges across the nation.21 EPA’s Policy Statement on Climate Change Adaptation calls on the Agency to focus on incorporating consideration of environmental justice into the design and evaluation of adaptation strategies.....
.....Climate change will affect certain groups of people more than others, depending on where they live and their ability to cope with different climate hazards. For example, a combination of sea level rise and land subsidence in coastal Louisiana has increased the area’s vulnerability to storm surge and hurricane damage.1,2 Hurricane Katrina , though not necessarily directly a result of climate change, provides an illustrative example of how storm surges can result in catastrophic effects for coastal communities and how social vulnerabilities can manifest in the form of unequal access to resources and of vulnerabilities. Barriers for the community to respond to Katrina included the lack of material resources, such as cash and access to transportation, for evacuation purposes.3,4,5 These factors contributed to disproportionate impacts on minority and low-income communities in New Orleans. For example, African Americans were overrepresented in mortality rates in all age categories compared to their proportion of the pre-Katrina population.6 The impacts of Hurricane Katrina were devastating and highlight the environmental as well as social vulnerabilities of coastline communities.
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"from people's carbon footprints ...............................

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Don, you've got a great point. Sending postcards would sequestor WAY more carbon.
I think Don would prefer

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Seems to suit most posts


So, why is the planet warming up so fast anyway??
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The Maldives would like Australia to pay them a heap of money because of its impact on global warming causing a rise in sea levels swamping the country.

Always use video of storm damage to structures (resorts) built out over the water on coral cays. It is natural for those cays to erode in storms as that is how they formed over time. Building structures coral cays ?? Idealic and postcard perfect in glossy brochures. But is it good practice?

Press always use example in Queensland of Gold coast to highlight possible sea water rise. if we built houses and high rise buildings on frontal dunes we have to expect erosion and deposition of dunes. Its nature.
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1216132505.htm

Quote: Difficult-to-forecast polar mesoscale storms occur frequently over the polar seas; however, they are missing in most climate models.
Difficult-to-forecast polar mesoscale storms occur frequently over the polar seas; however, they are missing in most climate models.

Quote: These polar lows are typically under 500 km in diameter and over within 24-36 hours. They're difficult to predict, but we have shown they play an important role in driving large-scale ocean circulation.
These polar lows are typically under 500 km in diameter and over within 24-36 hours. They're difficult to predict, but we have shown they play an important role in driving large-scale ocean circulation.

Quote: There are hundreds of them a year in the North Atlantic, and dozens of strong ones.
There are hundreds of them a year in the North Atlantic, and dozens of strong ones.

Quote: At present, climate models don't have a high enough resolution to account for these small-scale polar lows.
At present, climate models don't have a high enough resolution to account for these small-scale polar lows.

Sure makes me wonder with all the climate models about that they don't have enough "resolution" to add hundreds of storms per year in a small area of the planet.

Like, wow! How limiting are the models anyway? Do they leave out Saharan dust storms too? What else?

And to think they are driving beliefs and behavior planet wide
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