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Old 21-11-2009, 19:54   #31
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A number of lion fish have been showing up in the Florida Keys this year. Is their a recommended first aide treatment if you are attacked?
I have read that immersing the wound in as hot water as you can stand, should neutralize the poison.

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I have read that immersing the wound in as hot water as you can stand, should neutralize the poison.
Hot water immersion is reported to provide relief from lionfish invenomation, in about 97% of cases.
Lionfish venom toxicity is due to antigenic, heat-labile proteins of high molecular weight. The hot water immersion treatment is based on the heat-labile characteristics of these proteins.
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Old 22-11-2009, 04:58   #33
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A number of lion fish have been showing up in the Florida Keys this year. Is their a recommended first aide treatment if you are attacked?

From what I have seen, they don't exactly 'attack' you. The venom is in the long sharp fins down their spine. You have to grab them or somehow impale yourself, I think. I have not heard of anyone being aggressively stung by one although of course just because I have never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

But I think their spines are defensive.
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From what I have seen, they don't exactly 'attack' you. The venom is in the long sharp fins down their spine. You have to grab them or somehow impale yourself, I think. I have not heard of anyone being aggressively stung by one although of course just because I have never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

But I think their spines are defensive.
Correct.
Which reminds that, prior to hot water immersion, inspect for embedded spines, and remove carefully, to prevent infection.
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I forget the particulars but a commercial fisherman was talking about the discovery of a local predator on the lionfish here in the Keys. I'll ask around and post more. Dave
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How about bringing along a pair of heavy duty stainless kitchen shears and cutting off the spines onsite while spearing the fish?
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How about bringing along a pair of heavy duty stainless kitchen shears and cutting off the spines onsite while spearing the fish?
It's important to realize that the spines, even after they are separated from the fish, will remain venomous for several days.
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Preparing Lion Fish

I'm not going to teach anyone to suck eggs here, just some thoughts on the problems of dealing with those nasty spines.

Make sure it's dead you don't really want it suddenly flapping around.

I've always understood that ALL of the spines in the dorsal and pectoral fins were venomous and treated them with respect.

I'm a scaredy cat so I use a leather glove on the hand doing the cutting.

Get hold of the front and base of a set of spines and raise them up. Starting at the back, using a sharp pair of kitchen shears, cut the spines off at the base. Drop the spines into a metal pan, don't leave them lying on the work surface.

When all the spines are off, proceed as normal to clean the fish.

Pour BOILING water over the discarded spines and leave for 30 minutes or so, then you've just got some sharp fish spines, not any more nasty than any other fish.

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So in places like the Bahamas where does one most commonly find them - the outer reefs?
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Ive seen them from 4 inches of water in the mangroves out to the deeper reefs. They're pretty much everywhere now.
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We went to the yearly conch fest here on Saturday. The Dept. of Marine Environmental Stuff had a display and info on the lionfish here. They have a contest going on for who can kill the most of them. They also told me they are considering relaxing the restrictions on Hawaiian slings to allow people with valid fishing licenses to spear them on the reef.

They were also handing out free samples....



tastes pretty good, actually.
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Ive seen them from 4 inches of water in the mangroves out to the deeper reefs. They're pretty much everywhere now.
That is seriously bad news, finding them in in mangrove areas. I've only ever seen lion fish on a reef but if they are invading the nursery areas as well, fish stocks are very likely to suffer.

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Lionfish Exumas

Three years ago we were seeing a good number of Lionfish. Over the last two years - at least in the Great Exuma are up to Staniel Cay we have seen less and less. But, if we do see them it is KILL ON SIGHT.

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Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Tony.

Are you writing from the Exuma/Georgetown Airport, or some other GGT?
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