Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 02-04-2013, 07:37   #406
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,583
Images: 240
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonosailor View Post
... Here goes:
The widely held belief of the cruisers who enjoy Rodney Bay, St. Lucia year after year is that the dead man's wife was on the boat at the time of the visit.
Terrible of me to report that rumour, but it does seem appropriate to share it. Was it posted in the portion of the threads I passed up?
From local news reports, previously posted (#225, on CF 02/01/2013:

“... Lucas Francois died as a result of asphyxia consistent to a drowning and multiple blunt force traumas ...

... Deirdre Jeffery of Mary Ann Street who was also in custody for the same incident was released pending further investigations ...”
__________________

__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 07:48   #407
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: UK/Portugal
Posts: 20,210
Images: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to boatman61
pirate Re: In Prison in St Lucia

Thanks Gord...
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 08:06   #408
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Kimberton PA
Boat: Cabo Rico 38 / Bayfield 32
Posts: 573
Images: 1
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

Quote:
Originally Posted by romanos2b View Post
Better being a lonely dog on a boat (isn't it what most of us are?), than a white man in a black people jail in a country so small that you surely have some cousin of the 'victim' in this prison...
Perhaps he is innocent and perhaps his safety is in peril in jail. I don't know the circumstances and frankly no one here does. But the dog is definitely suffering. Anyone who know dogs will attest to that. Leaving a social animal alone on a boat is tantamount to supreme cruelty.
__________________
Saltyhog is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 08:22   #409
֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 13,055
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

hog, having had a dog and heard many people tell us what was best for her, I can tell you it usually was wrong because they didn't know the dog.

In my case the dog was happier to wait in the car (a place she knew) than to stay at home (warmer, cooler, more space, food, water) or to come traipsing in strange places when she had that comfy back seat to curl up in.

For a boat dog? I'd expect the dog is much better off "home" on the boat, than spending 90 days in a quarantine cage at $100 a day in some facility, which is the typical picture of where a dog has to go when they are formally "imported" across a national border. Unhappy beats many other situations, and it sounds like someone is spending a considerable personal amount of time keeping that dog out of "the system" and perhaps euthanasia.

And mine was much happier staying home for the day, alone, or "going visiting", than coming on a boat with me. Wouldn't even come out on a dock, but that's because she was a water rescue dog. ("If I don't let you near the water, boss, I won't have to rescue you.")
__________________
hellosailor is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 08:51   #410
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Kimberton PA
Boat: Cabo Rico 38 / Bayfield 32
Posts: 573
Images: 1
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

@ HelloSailor, I completely agree and I would not tell you what is best for your dog. But I know that leaving a dog alone for an extended period, as in months, is cruel. Now if whoever is coming by to feed him is spending a bit of time with him and giving the social interaction he needs, then I'll buy that individual(s) drinks and dinner If I come across them. You are likely right regarding the quarantine rules etc. We're a bit OT here. My whole point is that the only one we know for sure is innocent is the dog, and he (or she) is suffering in spite of that.
__________________
Saltyhog is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 09:12   #411
Registered User

Join Date: May 2012
Location: Baltimore, MD
Boat: Cal 2-27
Posts: 843
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

my dog sleeps in my cabin when i head out. She is very comfortable. The boat looks plenty big and If it were my dog, i would rather have her on that boat than in a cage for 3 months.
__________________
76% of statistics are made up.
boatsail is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 09:13   #412
Registered User

Join Date: May 2012
Location: Baltimore, MD
Boat: Cal 2-27
Posts: 843
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

I do hope that dog is getting some human attention and not just some left overs thrown over the side.

my dog is one of my few best buds.
__________________
76% of statistics are made up.
boatsail is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 10:16   #413
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

I suspect the choice for the dog is being lonely or being dead.
David_Old_Jersey is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 10:20   #414
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay View Post
From local news reports, previously posted (#225, on CF 02/01/2013:

“... Lucas Francois died as a result of asphyxia consistent to a drowning and multiple blunt force traumas ...

... Deirdre Jeffery of Mary Ann Street who was also in custody for the same incident was released pending further investigations ...”
Multiple doesn't sound good .

If Deirdre is from the same background as the deceased she will have been fully aware that being a witness is better than being an accussed, even if that means tweaking own version of events to fit - often enough law enforcement will (intentionally) provide the clues needed.........

.....and of course she is not a flight risk.
David_Old_Jersey is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 14:32   #415
Registered User
 
Group9's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,599
Images: 7
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

Quote:
Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey View Post
Multiple doesn't sound good .

If Deirdre is from the same background as the deceased she will have been fully aware that being a witness is better than being an accussed, even if that means tweaking own version of events to fit - often enough law enforcement will (intentionally) provide the clues needed.........

.....and of course she is not a flight risk.
I think we have our answer as to why the authorities are not buying his story.
__________________
Group9 is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 15:07   #416
Registered User

Join Date: May 2009
Boat: Kirié Feeling 446
Posts: 130
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
If you throw someone overboard, for whatever reason, and as a direct result of your intentional action they drown and die, you're going to be up on charges. Even here in the US.
But the intruder did not drown he made it ashore. There were no witnesses. What is the result of the autopsy? Nothing ties the death directly to Eric Sommer. What about the boat that fled without giving assistance to the man it brought to the yacht? Nothing here makes sense.

If the French from Martinique decided to boycott St Lucia I'll bet there would be immediate action. They are an important source of revenue to the micro country.

Sailors should be informed of the risks involved with simply anchoring in Lucian waters. Would you feel safe in St Lucia? Obviously Eric Sommer did for if he thought he was guilty of any wrongdoing he would have fled immediately. In two hours he would have been far away in French waters.

What are the risks of uninvited guests coming aboard your yacht in St Lucia? Fairly high. What might happen if you are on board? Either the criminal or the police get you?

A judge at a preliminary hearing decides if the police charges should lead to an accusation. If not the person goes free. No accusations yet, just jail. For 8 months!!!

The bad blood between St Lucia and Martinique (France) comes from Lucians committing too many crimes in Martinique and the reaction of the Immigration (French) making it difficult for Lucian to enter the French island. Murder rate France 1.1 vs St Lucia 25.2 Just to compare USA 4.8 Canada 1.6
__________________
SaltyTanned is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 15:50   #417
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: trinidad
Boat: Lavranos 40
Posts: 77
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

Totally agree with SaltyTanned. I never felt safe in Saint Lucia. I always felt tension with those boat boys who call you brother and try to rip you off. Most of them are drug dealers, pimps, and thiefs. I remember once in Rodney Bay, I was rowing my dinghy to the gas station in the marina, I rowed about half mile and I was maybe a 100 feet of the goal. One of this boat boy came to me, told "yo brother, gimme you rope, I can tow you", I politely said no, he insisted, he strongly emphasize that I had nothing to fear he was cool. Basically, I was 1 minute away from my goal but this guy blocked my way with his pirogue.. I finally gave him my rope, he towed me for 20 seconds to my goal. Then he asked me to pay him 100$. There was a lot witnesses, and he finally understood than if he wanted his money he would have to fight against me and another friend who was here.. so he just threatened me and left.
I felt this kind of tension anywhere in the island, a little bit less in saint vincent, but still...
What happened to Mister Sommer can happen to any of us, and I laught a lot while reading some answers of some smartypants who would have the perfect behaviour facing an assault...
__________________
romanos2b is offline  
Old 02-04-2013, 23:06   #418
cruiser

Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Seattle
Posts: 1,130
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

Quote:
Originally Posted by romanos2b View Post
Better being a lonely dog on a boat (isn't it what most of us are?), than a white man in a black people jail in a country so small that you surely have some cousin of the 'victim' in this prison...
Being a minority isn't nearly as tough as it used to be-- all the heavy lifting has been done. You'll get used to it.
__________________
Jammer Six is offline  
Old 03-04-2013, 01:47   #419
Nearly an old salt
 
goboatingnow's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,649
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by romanos2b View Post
Totally agree with SaltyTanned. I never felt safe in Saint Lucia. I always felt tension with those boat boys who call you brother and try to rip you off. Most of them are drug dealers, pimps, and thiefs. I remember once in Rodney Bay, I was rowing my dinghy to the gas station in the marina, I rowed about half mile and I was maybe a 100 feet of the goal. One of this boat boy came to me, told "yo brother, gimme you rope, I can tow you", I politely said no, he insisted, he strongly emphasize that I had nothing to fear he was cool. Basically, I was 1 minute away from my goal but this guy blocked my way with his pirogue.. I finally gave him my rope, he towed me for 20 seconds to my goal. Then he asked me to pay him 100$. There was a lot witnesses, and he finally understood than if he wanted his money he would have to fight against me and another friend who was here.. so he just threatened me and left.
I felt this kind of tension anywhere in the island, a little bit less in saint vincent, but still...
What happened to Mister Sommer can happen to any of us, and I laught a lot while reading some answers of some smartypants who would have the perfect behaviour facing an assault...
The man is on remand , this is not unusual

Dave
__________________
Check out my new blog on smart boat technology, networking and gadgets for the connected sailor! - http://smartboats.tumblr.com
goboatingnow is offline  
Old 03-04-2013, 05:48   #420
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: In Prison in St Lucia

Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyTanned View Post
But the intruder did not drown he made it ashore. There were no witnesses. What is the result of the autopsy? Nothing ties the death directly to Eric Sommer. What about the boat that fled without giving assistance to the man it brought to the yacht? Nothing here makes sense.
I think the info that Gord provided suggests an autopsy was conducted - Multiple Blunt Force Traumas followed by drowning (not all drowning is immediate)....the link to Eric is both the short time between being dead and the altercation onboard and that Eric appears to have admitted at least throwing him overboard and reasonable to assume that involved at least some force.

Whilst of course these "facts" may not be true, if they are it suggests that at the least Eric has a case to answer if not actually being guilty (Manslaughter even if not Murder). Bottom line is that if you beat someone up and they "accidently" die then you get to suck up consequences of own actions.

Being stuck in prison for the thick end of a year awaiting trial is just how these things usually go, especially for those who genuinely are a flight risk (he would be an idiot not to f#ck off ASAP if he could!)............in St Lucia and elsewhere.

Whilst obviously not intended as a body dump (still moving not a good thing!) nonetheless a tad unlucky he made it to shore before dying - a couple of days of floating around would have been useful for Eric.
__________________

David_Old_Jersey is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anchorage in South St Lucia Teej Atlantic & the Caribbean 3 03-01-2012 05:49
Crew Wanted: ARC 2011 Las Palmas to St. Lucia mct Crew Archives 4 26-09-2011 12:54



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 22:52.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.