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Old 23-08-2010, 11:59   #16
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, I'd have to say I am totally confused at this point and might consider a Magellan Straight or Horny detour.
Ummm the whole point of cruising was to go where the butter melts......

Patagonian butter is used to make buildings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Old 23-08-2010, 12:10   #17
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Ummm the whole point of cruising was to go where the butter melts......

Patagonian butter is used to make buildings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Go Panama!

But they do some of the worlds best barbecues Now who was it that was urging me to get out in those 30 foot waves

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Old 23-08-2010, 12:23   #18
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But they do some of the worlds best barbecues Now who was it that was urging me to get out in those 30 foot waves

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The best BBQ's are in NORTH Argentina and the (warmer) Brazil!
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Old 23-08-2010, 12:30   #19
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Just google "colon panama, crime stats." and settle down for an afternoon of reading.
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Old 23-08-2010, 12:42   #20
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hmm after "colon panama, crime stats" google-boogle, got my appetite quite up there. BBQ seems mighty tasty to me right now...yum!
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After screaming "yankee go home" and "hate the yankees" for decades, the US obliged and closed 26 US Military establishments. The Panamanians were shocked that when the US left, they took their money with them, the lower strata of their population has still not adjusted to this fact .

Then to add insult to injury the US gave them true independence - they gave the Canal to them.

Several changes were enviable, all employees of the canal were forced to renounce their US citizenship in order to preserve their retirement and continue employment.
The US Military personnel had established the Yacht Clubs for their own enjoyment and when they left, so to did any support of the clubs.

Because the US no longer subsidized the canal the Panamanians were forced to make the Canal support itself. Hence the increase in fees, large Pan-max ships pay over $150,000 for each transit.

There was a $5 billion bond approved by the voters to add another set of locks and to recycle some of the water used. Fees have been increased to provide funds for this construction.

People in Central Americian contries on the Pacific side are considerablely more tolerant of we cruisiers, it must be the water!
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UWOA , I will definitely agree that discretion is the best part of valor , but I think discretion doesn't meant don't go there . And I have a lot of respect for your profession , skills and attitude but I can't help quoting the guy who said that to a man carrying a hammer everything looks like a nail.
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While we were there in Shelter Bay some friends were over at the old yacht club (now gone) and they were swapping engines out. They put the old engine block (to be traded in) on the dock next to their boat and it was stolen by the morning. During the same period someone was clonked on the head and robbed walking inside the yacht club on his way to a taxi. I went in to Colon with a Panamanian friend from the area, and he was more scared for me than I was. He kept right behind me and kept whispering "I've got your back." All the gas stations we went buy had an attendant stand guard with a shotgun while people pumped gas. Nasty place, but it is great for supplies and as long as you heed the latest warnings OK if you need to conduct business. Otherwise, no reason to go there.
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You go to Colon to do the paperwork to transit the canal. Don't screw around re-suppling, do that on the otherside. Get your paperwork done and get your hiney thru the canal.

My approach to Panama was from the Pacific side, but the same rules apply

The Pacific side is way more civilized, Panama City is a large metropolitan city.
Leaving Balboa the islands of the Les Perias were a delight as were the remote island of the Peridas in NW Panama offshore of the second largest city in Panama - David (Da-vi).

If you're doing the two year around the Caribbean Sea thing, go back to Cartagena to head north.
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UWOA , I will definitely agree that discretion is the best part of valor , but I think discretion doesn't meant don't go there . And I have a lot of respect for your profession , skills and attitude but I can't help quoting the guy who said that to a man carrying a hammer everything looks like a nail.
I never said don't go there; I've been there (lived on the Atlantic side for two years). I'm just saying use common sense and make an honest appraisal of your survival skills and act accordingly. The bottom line is always the "common sense" portion of the equation.
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...so I can walk into the Citibank in Colon, Panama and make a deposit.
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...so I can walk into the Citibank in Colon, Panama and make a deposit.
I'd bet against a transaction being successfully completed by anyone equipped as noted - especially in Panama.
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WANTED - One m-4 with flash suppressor and three clips; One HK-45 w/ leg holster; One Glock 40 with skeleton holster - left sholder; Three CQ MOW quick opening button knives with quick release velcro sheaths; Two Mossberg mariners with ghost rings...combat modified; assorted ammo for above including mixed slugs rounds for shotguns...

...so I can walk into the Citibank in Colon, Panama and make a deposit.
Obviously, you've never met me. As my sensei once told me, and as I've tried to practice during the twenty-five years plus that I've studied karate: "You should be able to step out of the shower with a light coat of sweat, take on the world ... and win."

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..."You should be able to step out of the shower with a light coat of sweat, take on the world ... and win."
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Surely you and/or your sensei jest.
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You think if I walked into a colon bank and said "please" they would at least give me a smile...

Well, I'd probably fall on the floor from all that weight and lead unable to get up anyway - like an overturned turtle.
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