carribean vs the other side

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

I didn't know there was a hierarchy in the cruising world. So if you go small, trade food for bicycles or what ever else the OP uses, he is a parasite. And because he is not going around flaunting money to the locals, he is taking advantage of them. I'll try to avoid you as to not upset you as I have been know to trade C and D batteries to a fisherman for his flashlight for a fish or two.

Not refering to the OP, just a fortunately small category of cruisers. Nothing wrong with bartering at all.

[a64pilot]

I've found that sometimes trading someone for something is a way of giving them them what they need, but gives them a way to not feel obligated. They wouldn't take a gift or would feel as if they had to give a gift back, but a trade leaves no one owning anyone.




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[NoTies]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Sounds like the OP is playing the dumb white guy taking gift after gift without reciprocating in kind. He's probably put many of the friendly locals in a financial bind abusing their kindness. At the same time he denigrates those who may misunderstand the gift giving culture but understand they can't continuously take without giving back so they offer to pay, which may not be consistent with the culture but at least doesn't leave the local impoverished by the visit.

Do you use Open CPN?

[NoTies]

Originally Posted by Cap Erict3

And while it is possible that he has been sitting on a couch in Kansas, his posts indicate that he has put quite a few miles under the keel of a little Bristol alone. That would require a bit of adequate prep and cojones. Not to mention giving him an excuse for being a bit quirky.

He's real, I brought him a shell of Kava in Vanuatu and interviewed him for a newspaper column.

[first wind]

Originally Posted by boat_alexandra

In the carribean I think these same people like it maybe because they enjoy enslaving the locals with their money by paying them $5 to do things for them like bring them water or take their trash. This is similar to slavery by reinforcing that they are not on an equal level.

they don't call that slavery. they call it employment. my boss doesn't enslave me by paying me to machine high tech ceramic parts for communications and guidance systems.

i think you are confusing slavery and jobs. slavery is when you are forced to work without being paid for it. if you are willingly performing a service in return for payment of some sort, that's a job. big difference. slavery bad. job good.

i know it may seem odd but, life costs money. by paying locals for services, cruisers are improving the lives of those people who might otherwise have very little income. there is no difference between paying money for goods and services or bartering for goods and services. it's still an exchange of value for an item or a service that you need.

from what you say, it almost sounds as if you are upset that they charge you services instead of just doing it for free. that would mean that you prefer slavery over free employment.

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

I've found that sometimes trading someone for something is a way of giving them them what they need, but gives them a way to not feel obligated. They wouldn't take a gift or would feel as if they had to give a gift back, but a trade leaves no one owning anyone.

Yes, bartering I think is a very good method of exchange. Keeps locals from viewing you as an ATM also.

I bartered a lot in Cuba...the locals needed almost everything. Fishing supplies were especially popular. Great people.

The parasitic class of cruiser I refered to earlier were those that actually scam or steal from others. Tried to help a cruiser like that once, gave them a few minor sail repair items, then they started aggressively pushing me to give them other things and trying to take stuff off my boat, I took what I gave them back and threw them off the boat. The OP mentioned bartering, thats not parasitic (something for nothing).

[neilpride]

It's called the Moitessier Syndrome, or the boat with multiple multicolor diferent sizes fenders hanging in the port side.
I deal with that often and trust me is not funny to see some few cruisers in that situation....

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by NoTies

Do you use Open CPN?

Nope.

[first wind]

Originally Posted by Cap Erict3

Interesting that the pack animals come together again to attack. Even apologizing to each other for not pointing the attacks in the proper manner.

more like a superhero team up in a comic book or movie. they meet, mistake each other's intent, fight, then realize they are on the same side, and then team up against the bad guys.

Being bombarded by the gimme money crowd does get old. Even if a small service is offered.

much better to have them serve master for free, huh? sounds like you are the one that likes to "enrich [his] coffers" through the efforts of others. heaven forbid you actually have to pay someone work that someone performed for you that earned them payment.

If sitting in a chaise lounge tossing pennies to the pions tweaks ur self esteem, so be it.

Let he who uses a thesaurus or spell check hang his head in shame. Let those that manage to use the efforts of others to enrich their coffers be elevated in our eyes as the superior beings they wish they were.

Dumpster divers should continue bow to their betters and apologize for their uncouth presence.

that last is just ridiculous. garbage truck drivers get paid serious money. also, people certainly don't look down on them.i used to do lawn care and you often see homeowners leave beer and watermelons and stuff out as a tip for the trash guy. people appreciate the service they provide.

[first wind]

Originally Posted by boat_alexandra

I am not going to reply to the many comments, but I am amused by many of them. Thank you.

I wanted to state my case and my experiences about this place.

I've been in grenada a week so far, no problems with anyone, it is ok here. Unfortunately the local food seems to be fried chicken all the time which is what I would eat in hell.

you must not be American (thank you Gods!). most everyone here loves fried chicken. what's not to love? i kind of assumed the diet in hell would be vegetarian.

[Cap Erict3]

Originally Posted by first wind

more like a superhero team up in a comic book or movie. they meet, mistake each other's intent, fight, then realize they are on the same side, and then team up against the bad guys.





much better to have them serve master for free, huh? sounds like you are the one that likes to "enrich [his] coffers" through the efforts of others. heaven forbid you actually have to pay someone work that someone performed for you that earned them payment.







that last is just ridiculous. garbage truck drivers get paid serious money. also, people certainly don't look down on them.i used to do lawn care and you often see homeowners leave beer and watermelons and stuff out as a tip for the trash guy. people appreciate the service they provide.

Put down the doobie brother. Comprehension will come back.

[first wind]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Gee guys...keep digging deeper...you'll find he is a Nazi Capitalist seeking to destroy nation by nation under the cloak of keep it simple sailing. He's a genius I say!

first, nazi was short for national socialist worker's party. socialism and capitalism are opposites. they don't make good bed fellows.

second, he is certainly not a capitalist. capitalism is about free trade; about getting the rewards equal to the effort you put out. trading value for value.

the OP is all abut receiving what he wants for free and is offended when people expect something in return for their efforts.

[first wind]

Originally Posted by tomfl

There have been endless threads at CF about folks who thought they could make a living while cruising by working.

that might be because more than a few people have done it, over the years, and written books about it...some rather recently.

How many threads have we seen about places being ruined because cruisers started paying much higher than expected rates to locals.

that's judging from a somewhat selfish point of view. ruined for cruisers looking for a cheap good time but, is that ruined for the locals who now have money to live at a better standard?

[NoTies]

Originally Posted by first wind

that's judging from a somewhat selfish point of view. ruined for cruisers looking for a cheap good time but, is that ruined for the locals who now have money to live at a better standard?

You make a common mistake of many people from the developed world in that you equate standard of living with quality of life

[first wind]

Originally Posted by Cap Erict3

Put down the doobie brother. Comprehension will come back.

man, gave me the bro job right in a public forum.