Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 13-08-2010, 07:27   #1
Senior Cruiser
 
unbusted67's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Islesboro, ME
Boat: Looking for a new boat
Posts: 2,198
Images: 24
Braving Hellgate

Any tips or tricks for this nasty little passage?
__________________

__________________
unbusted67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 07:42   #2
Registered User
 
lorenzo b's Avatar

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Panama
Boat: Steel trawler 63' Eileen Farrell
Posts: 961
Eldridge Tide and Pilot Book 2010 $10 a must
__________________

__________________
lorenzo b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 08:13   #3
Senior Cruiser
 
unbusted67's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Islesboro, ME
Boat: Looking for a new boat
Posts: 2,198
Images: 24
and what just try to hit it right at slack tide?
__________________
unbusted67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 08:18   #4
Registered User
 
psteele235's Avatar

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Rowayton, CT
Boat: De Kleer Fraser 30
Posts: 218
Make sure the tide is with you otherwise you will be battling uphill.
__________________
Work is the curse of the boating classes

Patrick
psteele235 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 08:20   #5
Senior Cruiser
 
unbusted67's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Islesboro, ME
Boat: Looking for a new boat
Posts: 2,198
Images: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by psteele235 View Post
Make sure the tide is with you otherwise you will be battling uphill.
Mmmm no otherwise we will be going backwards hull speed is 5.5 knots.
__________________
unbusted67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 08:22   #6
Registered User
 
mbianka's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,125
Images: 1
I agree the Eldridge Tide and Pilot book is a MUST for these waters. If I'm heading to Long island Sound from New York Harbor . I arrive at the Battery about two hours after low water there to ride the flood current up the East River through Hell's Gate into the Sound.

If I'm coming from Long Island Sound I time my arrival at the Throgs Neck Bridge around the time the current starts to ebb southward at that location and ride the ebb down into the Harbor.

Expect to be motoring the whole way for safety. Sometimes I have been able to sail for parts of it. But, at some point the tall buildings screw with the winds and with the currents may cause you boat to spin if you are under sail only. The tugboat captains are not amused when this happens in the narrower channel around midtown Manhattan.

Since I converted to electric propulsion this transit has become much nicer trip. I found I can drift along with the currents at about 4 knots in silence and only occasionaly have to put on a little thrust to straighten out. But, with a diesel or an outboard I would keep it on for the whole passage because if it does not start you will be in a whole bunch of hurt real fast in this water.

Enjoy the journey. I always get a kick when my boat is moving faster than the traffic on the FDR Drive. Plus I always see some interesting things when I make the trip too. You can see some of the sights from a transit I made last year here:
THE BIANKA LOG BLOG: AN ELECTRIC SAILBOAT CRUISE TO NEW YORK: PART TWO

and if you want to see what doing this transit at 200 knots looks like check this out:
THE BIANKA LOG BLOG: DESTINATION: NEW YORK HARBOR


Capt. Mike
__________________
mbianka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 08:50   #7
Registered User
 
mbianka's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,125
Images: 1
Unbusted67:

I would not be too concerned about hitting Hell Gate it at slack tide exactly. It can be a little choppy at other times but, nothing too scary. But, keep a firm hand on the helm as the currents do swirl around in the Gate. And as others have said DO NOT make this trip against the current!


Capt. Mike
THE BIANKA LOG BLOG
__________________
mbianka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 08:53   #8
Senior Cruiser
 
unbusted67's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Islesboro, ME
Boat: Looking for a new boat
Posts: 2,198
Images: 24
Cool video, thanks for the tips.
__________________
unbusted67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 15:08   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 64
It's pretty simple. Like Capt. Mike said, time the trip so you have the current with you and you will speed throught there.

Hell gate got that name in the old days before they blasted most of the bad rocks out of the way.
http://www.nan.usace.army.mil/whoweare/hellgate.pdf
__________________
zydecotoad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 16:36   #10
Registered User
 
Tempest245's Avatar

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Piscataway, NJ
Boat: 34 Sabre Tempest
Posts: 937
Not too much to add to the above, but if you are heading up river from the south...or headed south after....you duck behind governor's island and enter or exit the river via buttermilk channel. Stay to the brooklyn side of the river near lower manhattan. You can at least avoid the staten island ferries.
__________________
Tempest
Tempest245 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 17:02   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Great Neck, N.Y.
Boat: Lancer 30, Little Jumps
Posts: 542
As indicated in above posts... go with the current... make passage with motor at good speed (control is much better when speed is greater than current) plus with speed over ground at 8-10 knots transit between Throggs Neck Bridge and Battery is less than 2 hours.
caution...do not transit if strong opposing winds...which can result in standing waves.
With the right timing and some caution its a great experience,
not as bad as it sounds...some say Adriaen Block, who named
Hellegat(dutch)...english interp could mean "bright passage".
Hugo
__________________
hugosalt
s/v Little Jumps
Lancer 30
hugosalt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 20:09   #12
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: FL
Boat: Far East Mariner 40
Posts: 652
We were worried as well, however, we did hit around slack and rode the tide down. At one time we saw over 10 knots... It turned out to be a nice trip.
__________________
Islandmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2010, 21:49   #13
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Great Neck, N.Y.
Boat: Lancer 30, Little Jumps
Posts: 542
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempest245 View Post
Not too much to add to the above, but if you are heading up river from the south...or headed south after....you duck behind governor's island and enter or exit the river via buttermilk channel. Stay to the brooklyn side of the river near lower manhattan. You can at least avoid the staten island ferries.

One must pass west of Roosevelt Island (there is a
low bridge on the east side of the island.) unless
you know for sure you will clear it.
__________________
hugosalt
s/v Little Jumps
Lancer 30
hugosalt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2010, 04:53   #14
Registered User
 
Tempest245's Avatar

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Piscataway, NJ
Boat: 34 Sabre Tempest
Posts: 937
Quote:
Originally Posted by hugosalt View Post
One must pass west of Roosevelt Island (there is a
low bridge on the east side of the island.) unless
you know for sure you will clear it.

Yes, pass west of Roosevelt island. Check before transiting just in case they close off that side. Which they have been known to do, during big UN meetings.....
__________________
Tempest
Tempest245 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2010, 17:52   #15
Marine Service Provider
 
banyandah's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: North Coast NSW
Boat: 38' cutter
Posts: 254
Images: 35
Send a message via Skype™ to banyandah
Not trying to seal anyone's thunder, but purely for interest, we've got the ultimate Hell's Gate "Down Under."
It's halfway along one of the world's worst lee shores, with southern ocean swell attacking from Antarctica. The actual gate is no more than houses wide, and holds back a landlocked body thirty miles in length that also empties three mountain fed rivers. Oddly the tide doesn't exert the greater effect. Atmospheric pressure and wind direction seem to be the bigger forces, and so the current is virtually unpredictable.

I've been in and out a couple of times, and made it unscathed, mind having 70 horses under the floor helps. Why bother you may wonder? Hell's Gate opens into Macquarie Harbour. One of the most picturesque place on Earth. Tall timbers line mountainous slopes, with the massive Gordon River open to explore for 30 miles of National Park.

Google it, if you like. Its on the west coast of the island of Tasmania. And if you'd like to see more photos, go to my website.
Cheers from the Banyandah
__________________

__________________
Jack and Jude
Sailing stories and guides
banyandah is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 18:12.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.