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Old 06-12-2013, 18:54   #16
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Old 13-12-2013, 08:19   #17
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Sounds like a lot of too many boats in too little space. I am in a beautiful protected anchorage in Panama, must be at least a half mile square, two other boats a couple of hundred meters away. $195 a year for a Panama cruiseing permit and hundreds so spots to anchor in the archipelago.
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I'd be looking for a space in their parking lot. Not a room.

I know this seems like a simple analogy but here in the islands 99% of the fuel docks (not very many of them at that) are built and paid for by taxpayers like myself and not commercial marinas nor are they like motel parking lots. The fueling portion is done by a commercial concern but I wouldn't be stealing fuel. So I've dealt with docks that are paid for by taxpayers like myself and are sometimes deserted after the gates are locked.

I don't consider myself a thief or even a dishonest person but maybe I am.
1) Ask any hotel how they feel about your sleeping in their parking lot rather than paying for a room.

2) Go down to your local fuel dock during the day and ask the boss how he/she feels about your tying up for the night without paying.
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1) Ask any hotel how they feel about your sleeping in their parking lot rather than paying for a room.

2) Go down to your local fuel dock during the day and ask the boss how he/she feels about your tying up for the night without paying.
1)I won't go to hotel but I'll go to the local state park where rooms are rented out by a commercial concern and see if its ok to park an RV in their lot to catch a couple hours of rest. WalMart is Ok with it in many localities.

2)I'll do as you suggest except its awfully hard to do if you don't arrive in the port until after their closed and there is no number there to call. If there is a sign prohibiting it I'll go elsewhere.

Really pointless to argue this. Each of us has different experiences and lives in a different place where rules and cultures are different. I'm not trying to steal something. I'm just trying to explain that in some circumstances it is ok. I especially think its ok if its state property and I pay state taxes and boat registration and a state mooring or docking fee.
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Old 14-12-2013, 16:09   #20
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The state taxes don't exactly cover all the frieght,. That is why they charge.
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All marinas have expenses. They charge money to pay the bills. They charge for overnight use. This is equally true in public and private marinas. If you're not sure, call on the phone and ask them.
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I know of a place that the security guard gets paid a "bounty" to lock boats to the dock that come in after hours. That process was the direct result of people trying to avoid paying.
That would irritate me. I often get in overnight on a delivery and tie up to a fuel dock to get some sleep and wait for them to open in the morning so I can buy fuel and water. No one has ever locked a boat I was delivering to the dock. A few places have asked for a nights transient docking (which is fine) but most are happy to see me. Some of the places I go through regularly comp me a few hours in a slip to get everyone rested or do some supplemental provisioning ("Do you have any Grey Poupon?" *grin*).

I would be similarly irritated to learn that the boats on a fuel dock that caused me to anchor out were scamming a free night and disappeared before the staff showed up. That is just rude.
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Old 15-12-2013, 10:41   #23
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And this is why many sailboaters have a stigma called cheap. Many are good but there is always that handful.
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Don't just blame sailboaters I see plenty of power boats come in late and leave early without waiting around for staff
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Don't just blame sailboaters I see plenty of power boats come in late and leave early without waiting around for staff
Your right although 90% of those people I see on mooring balls are sailboaters. Even had sailboaters come into a Bahama marina late at night to help themselves to fresh water.
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That would irritate me. I often get in overnight on a delivery and tie up to a fuel dock to get some sleep and wait for them to open in the morning so I can buy fuel and water. No one has ever locked a boat I was delivering to the dock. A few places have asked for a nights transient docking (which is fine) but most are happy to see me. Some of the places I go through regularly comp me a few hours in a slip to get everyone rested or do some supplemental provisioning ("Do you have any Grey Poupon?" *grin*).

I would be similarly irritated to learn that the boats on a fuel dock that caused me to anchor out were scamming a free night and disappeared before the staff showed up. That is just rude.
I think you've got it.
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Re: Bad Form On Mooring Etiquette

Mooring seem to serve a few purposes
1. Protect the bottom from anchors
2. Allow for anchoring in areas that are too deep for easy anchoring
3. Make money for the mooring owners

The number 3 type mooring field doesn't get a ton of sympathy from me. Not because I don't like to see a small business successful, but because they often take up all the decent anchoring space, leaving nowhere to anchor for those that prefer. If they don't get paid for every use, oh well.
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Yepper Paul. No one has a problem with #1. I haven't seen an example of #2 but would welcome it. Alas it's a # 3 world and caused by the few ... but not the proud.
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sounds like a fun place, cant wait to visit. I guess in America you get used to having to pay for everything, who needs generosity anyway. (yeah, yeah, bahamas aint america...blah blah)
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Your right although 90% of those people I see on mooring balls are sailboaters.
In reference to those skipping out paying mooring fees, seems to be a frequent practice when mooring in Ayala Cover, Angel Island. (Arrive after and leave before the state park's "open hours.")

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