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Old 30-08-2010, 15:12   #1
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Atlantic Crossings

I am interested in gathering more information about Atlantic crossings. I am considering leaving from the East Coast of the US and going to Spain or Portugal. I have found two couples with boats like mine who have done the crossing. One boat with three aboard left from North Carolina on June 3rd and Arrived in the Azores June 21st without using a Spinnaker. The other boat a couple left Fort Lauderdale on May 29th and arrived in the Azores on June 24th.

The thought now is of leaving from North Carolina Can anyone give recommendations for a good boat DIY yard in the area to help me restep my Mast and any other last minute things I need to get done.

Also am wondering about state personal property taxes in North Carolina and when they would kick in so I can plan for how long I can leave my boat in state without being subject to the taxes.

If you have done an Atlantic Crossing could you tell me how long it took? On what kind of boat? and any other detail that you might think pertinent.
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Old 30-08-2010, 15:25   #2
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I've taken two trans-Atlantic, non-stop trips. One by passenger liner took 5 days and another by cruise ship taking 9 days, using different routes and different speeds. What kind of boat is yours? (Just kidding, although I'm interested in knowing your boat.)
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This was taken from the North Carolina Website:


What Vessels Do Not Need Registration?

Vessels that are unused and kept on dry land do not need registration in North Carolina.
Rowboats, canoes, and rafts moved only by oars, paddles, or the current do not need registration in North Carolina.
A vessel used only on a private pond does not need registration in North Carolina.
Vessels Documented with the U.S. Coast Guard do not need to be registered in North Carolina.
Ship's lifeboats or dinghies do not need to be registered if they are used only for emergency lifeboat purposes. However, if they are motorized and used for non-emergency purposes, they do require registration.
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Old 30-08-2010, 16:34   #5
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If you end up in Spain make sure you don't overstay your visa. There was a thread on here last year concerning a couple who were forced to pay taxes on their boat after staying too long.
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Doh! Forgive me. I'm new here.
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Sorry Mark I should have noticed. Thanks Arch I have been looking at that and found some interesting articles on that exact topic.
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Sceptre 41 ... nice boats. I'd have a problem with that huge jib. Were any of the boats made into cutters to break-up the jib?
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Take the ARC Europe from Bermuda in mid-May.
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Take the ARC Europe from Bermuda in mid-May.
Going the other way. Besides having been on one rally I don't think I would join another.
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Sceptre 41 ... nice boats. I'd have a problem with that huge jib. Were any of the boats made into cutters to break-up the jib?
They are all cutter rigs. Most of them sail with a 135% jib but I have a 100% jib because I sail mostly with my wife and kids.
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The last time I crossed the pond, leaving from Ft. Lauderale, I stopped in Bermuda, Azores, Gibraltar, then Barcelona. I had some tough weather between the Azores and Gib, but rode it out fine. Nice trip, mostly good weather, and a great experience.
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The thought now is of leaving from North Carolina Can anyone give recommendations for a good boat DIY yard in the area to help me restep my Mast and any other last minute things I need to get done.
Oriental would be a good place to get prepared. A good yard to use there is Sailcraft.
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Check out noonsite.com. Lots of great routing info there.
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Time, time time....

Hi, time is relative!
I crossed from Charleston SC to Bermuda, Azores and Cascais (Lisboa) on a C&C Landfall 38. Wintered in Portugal & Spain, sailed to the Canaries in spring. When you enter the Azores your EU VAT TAX clock starts ticking; you have 18 months before you are assessed. I landed in Horta, Azores on Aug 4th 2004, left Las Palmas de Gran Canaria on Jan 13th 2006... I came back in the interim but was never bothered with overstaying in the Schengen countries (most of Europe).
Crossing times are relative: about seven days from Charleston to Bermuda, sixteen from Bermuda to Horta, two days from Horta to Sao Miguel, ten days to Cascais. Total 35 days at sea. Visiting & crew change time: seven days in Bermuda, ten days in the Açores, about a ten days in Cascais to visit northern Portugal. That's about two months travel time, I then had the boat laid up near Lisboa and flew home.
I went back later with my wife and we cruised around the south of Portugal and into Spain. We stayed in the Rota-Cadiz area for the winter.
Watch out as you enter European waters, the markers are reversed "Red Green Returning" here!
This is the crossing you wish to do: I did it between June 15 and August 20.
Get the Atlantic Pilot charts & do the crossinf according to weather; it could get vicious out there.
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