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Old 09-03-2016, 05:18   #76
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watch this space....Europe needs a new homeland for all the migrants.
turkey is the perfect donkey for the carrot and stick
Actually I was referring to the Arab countries you mentioned.. and Egypt..
Israel has bugga all to cruise..
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Old 09-03-2016, 10:17   #77
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So far it seems that the title of the thread proves very correct. The quotes I have gotten from marinas - even the improved quotes - are way above prices on Mallorca where we currently are or the rest of the western mediterranean. Way above.

I really wonder why?
I really don't understand were you got that information. As it was said not all marinas are equal and you have to compare what is comparable.

If you compare top Turkish marinas on the best Turkish cruising grounds with the prices of Top European marinas on the best cruising grounds you will see that the European ones are way more expensive. Some examples regarding a one day berth cost for a 12m boat with 4m beam:

Bodrum, Palmira Marina: 87 euros
Bodrum Milta Marina: 85 euros
Antalya Marina: 68 euros
Marina Club Nautico Ibiza: 229 Euros
Marina Real Club Palma Maiorca: 161 euros
Marina Porto Cervo (Italy): 229 euros

It is possible that things are somewhat different regarding a one year contract since the climate on the South of Turkey is probably better on winter.

If you want a top quality Turkish marina with good prices try Cesme Marina: for a 40ft boat it costs 5180 euros for a year. Probably they will offer a good price if you stay only for 9 months, excluding the summer months.
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I really don't understand were you got that information. As it was said not all marinas are equal and you have to compare what is comparable.

If you compare top Turkish marinas on the best Turkish cruising grounds with the prices of Top European marinas on the best cruising grounds you will see that the European ones are way more expensive. Some examples regarding a one day berth cost for a 12m boat with 4m beam:

Bodrum, Palmira Marina: 87 euros
Bodrum Milta Marina: 85 euros
Antalya Marina: 68 euros
Marina Club Nautico Ibiza: 229 Euros
Marina Real Club Palma Maiorca: 161 euros
Marina Porto Cervo (Italy): 229 euros

It is possible that things are somewhat different regarding a one year contract since the climate on the South of Turkey is probably better on winter.

If you want a top quality Turkish marina with good prices try Cesme Marina: for a 40ft boat it costs 5180 euros for a year. Probably they will offer a good price if you stay only for 9 months, excluding the summer months.
Cesme Marina Tariff | Camper & Nicholsons Marinas | Camper & Nicholsons Marinas
You are taking selective prices Polux to suit your argument. basically taking low season prices and comparing to high. Why bother doing this?

Actual prices were 180 plus plus plus in Bodrum (in June)
Porto Cervo in late May 100 euro including water etc
Dubrovnik 130 plus plus in June

all for 12m cat

I could go on but you get the point.
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You are taking selective prices Polux to suit your argument. basically taking low season prices and comparing to high. Why bother doing this?

Actual prices were 180 plus plus plus in Bodrum (in June)
Porto Cervo in late May 100 euro including water etc
Dubrovnik 130 plus plus in June

all for 12m cat

I could go on but you get the point.
No, all the prices are for 1 August this year for a 40ft boat with 4m beam. I checked all. You could have checked also before making insinuations.

Cats pay double in many marinas so it can explain the difference in prices in Bodrum.

http://www.miltabodrummarina.com/#!fees-549
http://www.palmarina.com.tr/rates/

Three years ago I asked while passing by the price in Capri Marina at already medium season, late September. For my boat (12.5m): 200 euros. This year at high season (1/8) the price will certainly be no less than in Porto Cervo, possibly higher.

Prices at high season are very different from prices in May.
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We find things in Turkey are negotiable -- and you must be able to understand that. We just signed up for a second winter in Kusadasi at Setur Marina as we are very pleased with the marina and the town.
In addition we just had a major refit of the boat - pulled all the ds windows and reset them, pull and overhaul the windlass, pull and over haul the variable pitch prop, restriping, add a solar panel, painting, winch overhaul. redo dodger sides and a few other things. As this is the off season we got great prices but you must be able to negotiate and treat the other party fairly. What did we pay? I will not tell you as I did my own negotiation and it was done with season, workers, materials, ect in mind - you have to do your own.
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We find things in Turkey are negotiable -- and you must be able to understand that. We just signed up for a second winter in Kusadasi at Setur Marina as we are very pleased with the marina and the town.
In addition we just had a major refit of the boat - pulled all the ds windows and reset them, pull and overhaul the windlass, pull and over haul the variable pitch prop, restriping, add a solar panel, painting, winch overhaul. redo dodger sides and a few other things. As this is the off season we got great prices but you must be able to negotiate and treat the other party fairly. What did we pay? I will not tell you as I did my own negotiation and it was done with season, workers, materials, ect in mind - you have to do your own.
Yes I agree you can negotiate a winter or longish term contract and of course any work done but not daily rates typically which is what the thread is about. Your not usually dealing with a decision maker if you try.

On daily rates the one I have tried a bit when we first came to the med was to try and lower the cat uplift multiple if we were berthed alongside or if the marina was not full mainly because I just find it annoying ie we werent taking space that could be used by another boat.

I would like to see you try for a discount in Bodrum marina - those nice icecream suited security guards would have you escorted off the premises quick smart
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I really don't understand were you got that information. As it was said not all marinas are equal and you have to compare what is comparable.

If you compare top Turkish marinas on the best Turkish cruising grounds with the prices of Top European marinas on the best cruising grounds you will see that the European ones are way more expensive. Some examples regarding a one day berth cost for a 12m boat with 4m beam:

Bodrum, Palmira Marina: 87 euros
Bodrum Milta Marina: 85 euros
Antalya Marina: 68 euros
Marina Club Nautico Ibiza: 229 Euros
Marina Real Club Palma Maiorca: 161 euros
Marina Porto Cervo (Italy): 229 euros

It is possible that things are somewhat different regarding a one year contract since the climate on the South of Turkey is probably better on winter.

If you want a top quality Turkish marina with good prices try Cesme Marina: for a 40ft boat it costs 5180 euros for a year. Probably they will offer a good price if you stay only for 9 months, excluding the summer months.
Cesme Marina Tariff | Camper & Nicholsons Marinas | Camper & Nicholsons Marinas

Sorry but those prices for the Balears are not correct.

Real Club Nautico for 12x4 I payed 24 Euro a day (actually using 12x8m). In Ibizza I payed less than that.

Why dont you compare Turkey with Thailand marina prices due to its more equal cost of living? I payed 9 Euro per night in a first class marina in Thailand for 12x4 m with truly superb service. I still dont understand why Turkey is that expensive and marinas are certainly not so full to justify a high price. Anyway ....
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Sorry but those prices for the Balears are not correct.

Real Club Nautico for 12x4 I payed 24 Euro a day (actually using 12x8m). In Ibizza I payed less than that.

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You cannot be serious regarding High season ( July/August). The last time I was there was probably 10 years ago with a 36ft and I paid more than twice than what you say you have paid with a 40ft boat.

I am considering regarding prices on all marinas I posted high season prices. I checked the price for 1 of August of 2016 on this and the other marinas.

You can make the booking for the marina of the Real Club Nautico de Palma de Maiorca on the booking site.

Book for 1 of August, one day for a boat with 12m length, 4m beam and 2m draft and the price will be 160.67 euros.
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Book for a cat with 12m length, 8m beam and 1.4m draft for the same date and the price will be 321.33 euros but not all is bad, they have a nice swimming pool that is included in the price
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You cannot be serious regarding High season ( July/August). The last time I was there was probably 10 years ago with a 36ft and I paid more than twice than what you say you have paid with a 40ft boat.

I am considering regarding prices on all marinas I posted high season prices. I checked the price for 1 of August of 2016 on this and the other marinas.

You can make the booking for the marina of the Real Club Nautico de Palma de Maiorca on the booking site.

Book for 1 of August, one day for a boat with 12m length, 4m beam and 2m draft and the price will be 160.67 euros.
Moorings in Real Club Náutico de Palma

Book for a cat with 12m length, 8m beam and 1.4m draft for the same date and the price will be 321.33 euros but not all is bad, they have a nice swimming pool that is included in the price

You are probably looking at list prices. Would you pay the asking price for a used boat offered on the internet?
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Book for 1 of August, one day for a boat with 12m length, 4m beam and 2m draft and the price will be 160.67 euros.
Moorings in Real Club Náutico de Palma

Book for a cat with 12m length, 8m beam and 1.4m draft for the same date and the price will be 321.33 euros but not all is bad, they have a nice swimming pool that is included in the price
Out of interest I compared for my boat the day price at Gouvia in Corfu on portbooker with the marinas list price. Portbooker was €70 and the marina price list was €59. Both include taxes.

Not a good way to book
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As a matter of fact..
If on entering the inner harbour at Palma, instead of turning to port and the Poseurs pontoons which will not accept boats of less than 12metres anyway.. but turn to starboard instead.. you will find a reasonably priced marina that cost me less than 200euro/week last June for my 11.90 boat.
No swimming pool though.. just a short walk to a beach..
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You are probably looking at list prices. Would you pay the asking price for a used boat offered on the internet?
The price I quoted is the price you pay if you book on internet. Real Club Nautico de Palma Marina is not a place you bargain for prices and they are full in the high season with those prices.
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As a matter of fact..
If on entering the inner harbour at Palma, instead of turning to port and the Poseurs pontoons which will not accept boats of less than 12metres anyway.. but turn to starboard instead.. you will find a reasonably priced marina that cost me less than 200euro/week last June for my 11.90 boat.
No swimming pool though.. just a short walk to a beach..
Sure, there are 5 stars hotels and 2 stars ones and as Yeloya says you get what you pay but I was comparing top marina prices in Turkey with top marinas in Spain and Italy at high season. Anyway in Turkey, even on the best cruising grounds you can find Marinas that will charge you for a 12 m boat around 40 euros for night and it is not that hard to find a place.

On the Balearic Islands it is just very hard to find a place at all and certainly you will not find one for that price. In Italy, around the best cruising grounds you will not find nothing for less than 60/70 euros on the high season.

I would say that the prices in Turkey, specially on top marinas, are not what one would expect giving the country living standards but then many of them are explored by foreign companies like Camper&Nicholson and anyway prices reflects demand. On a business you get the maximum profit you can get playing with demand and prices.
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Sure, there are 5 stars hotels and 2 stars ones and as Yeloya says you get what you pay but I was comparing top marina prices in Turkey with top marinas in Spain and Italy at high season. Anyway in Turkey, even on the best cruising grounds you can find Marinas that will charge you for a 12 m boat around 40 euros for night and it is not that hard to find a place.

On the Balearic Islands it is just very hard to find a place at all and certainly you will not find one for that price. In Italy, around the best cruising grounds you will not find nothing for less than 60/70 euros on the high season.

I would say that the prices in Turkey, specially on top marinas, are not what one would expect giving the country living standards but then many of them are explored by foreign companies like Camper&Nicholson and anyway prices reflects demand. On a business you get the maximum profit you can get playing with demand and prices.
Polux.. before I reached Palma I was in Sardinian marina near Cagliari where I was charged 1400euro for 1 month.
Its all very well sneering about how a swimming pool adds 3stars to a marina however you still have to catch a taxi or take a long walk to reach the chandlers which are all at my pathetic 2star marina..
This is a Cruisers Forum with members from 0.00ft boat owners to 120ft.. the question Did Not specify star ratings.. it stated marina's.
Elitists... I **** em..

PS. most marina's charge 1.5 for cats.. at least the ones I've been in around the world
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Polux.. before I reached Palma I was in Sardinian marina near Cagliari where I was charged 1400euro for 1 month.
Its all very well sneering about how a swimming pool adds 3stars to a marina however you still have to catch a taxi or take a long walk to reach the chandlers which are all at my pathetic 2star marina..
This is a Cruisers Forum with members from 0.00ft boat owners to 120ft.. the question Did Not specify star ratings.. it stated marina's.
Elitists... I **** em..

PS. most marina's charge 1.5 for cats.. at least the ones I've been in around the world
I don't have money for expensive marinas and I was only replying to someone that was saying that Turkey marinas are more expensive than Italian or Spanish ones. You have to compare what is comparable and in the more expensive areas on the med (more sailed and beautiful cruising grounds) you will only get expensive marinas.

In fact I rarely stay in marinas at all, preferring city ports or staying at anchor (most of the time) but that was irrelevant for what was being discussed. On some marinas cats pay 1.5 more but on some, specially the more expensive, cats pay 2 times more.
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