Tunisia 8 hostages murdered.

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Not so sure about that.. in the physical sense.. its basic guerilla warfare of attrition.. in the old days it would create fear only in the country.. pretty much like Boko Haram in Africa or some of the Central American rebels or the Mau Mau of the last century.
However today we have instant global coverage on every bombing in every country around the world in our faces breakfast lunch and dinner..
50yrs ago we sat in our respective countries and there would be the occasional article about and attack in which an EU/US person got killed.. and it'd be 'Tsk Tsk.. Poor Buga' and 5 minutes later its likely forgotten
Today its impossible unless you sit mid-Atlantic..
All this violence is in IN YOUR HOME.. how can you feel safe.. its psychological warfare and its working.. for the terrorists and the viewing figures..
It worked in the city centres abandoned to the baddies after dark.. 'No Dear.. lets not go into the cantre.. there were 3 muggings last w/end..' so you give it away..
That crap fact of life is to maintain International Law every now and then someone has to pay the Ferryman..
And there's grievances and band waggon nutters to spare out there.. and more every day.
And folk are anti birth control..

I tried to find argument with what you posted but can't.

Now on the birth control issue what country water supplies should we be lacing with birth control drugs?

[clownfishsydney]

Unfortunately 2 Australians were amongst the dead. We travel so much that despite our small population, we always seem to lose a few when there are events like this (and plane crashes.

However, I doubt that it will make Australians less likely to travel to Tunsia or anywhere else for that matter, we go to Bali in higher numbers than ever despite 88 being killed in one terrorist attack in 2002.

My thoughts are with all the families of the dead.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by GoingWalkabout

I tried to find argument with what you posted but can't.

Now on the birth control issue what country water supplies should we be lacing with birth control drugs?

All of the countries in the world.. slow down from the lemming like dash to self destruction..

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by boatman61

All of the countries in the world.. slow down from the lemming like dash to self destruction..

Why not let Darwinism be the ultimate birth control. Starvation has a great way of limiting population growth. Perhaps we should also stop all forms of safety net programs as these seem to allow for overbreeding. Not to mention wasting resources on free health care on people which only adds to the population plague.

I am of course only joking to prove a point. It certainly is a slippery ethical slope when we devalue the worth of life in order to protect the environment from human overpopulation. But I do think that indiscriminate baby production by people who expect to be supported by "society" is not good as well. How you solve this is an issue that I don't have the answers for either intellectually or morally.

Best thing to do is to go boating and enjoy the open waters. On this I am sure we both can agree.

[boatman61]

To the best of my knowledge its working in China.. don't see rioting masses.. maybe a limit of one boy one girl per couple in their lifetime to replace the couple on the work force..
Gotta maintain the labour pool.. natural selection trims the herd.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by clownfishsydney

Unfortunately 2 Australians were amongst the dead. We travel so much that despite our small population, we always seem to lose a few when there are events like this (and plane crashes.

However, I doubt that it will make Australians less likely to travel to Tunsia or anywhere else for that matter, we go to Bali in higher numbers than ever despite 88 being killed in one terrorist attack in 2002.

My thoughts are with all the families of the dead.

I'll second that... a senseless tragedy
but lets face it.. when History shows 'terrorism' often leads to Statehood.. your gonna get the wannabe 'Empire Builders..' or 'Freedom Fighters..' depending on your side of the fence..

[nimblemotors]

Originally Posted by GoingWalkabout

Yes terrorism has been with us unfortunately for a long time. But the new threats are very different and far more severe. IMHO

Today they have the internet to spread publicity of their deeds.
I almost think if we ignored them, they would go away, or at least diminish.
The US always needs someone to be at 'war' with, that is how they keep the MIC funded.

[lifeofreilly57]

Originally Posted by boatman61

To the best of my knowledge its working in China.. don't see rioting masses.. maybe a limit of one boy one girl per couple in their lifetime to replace the couple on the work force..
Gotta maintain the labour pool.. natural selection trims the herd.

I work a lot in China and have traveled there off and on since the early 90's, they went from complete dictatorship to a socialist hybrid with a capitalist economy, it's still a work in progress but it works for the transition they're going thorugh . The party is still firmly in control and controls the media completely so they have a powerful influence over public opinion which is intentional to keep things calm here and tamp down unrest but they too have had their issues with ethnic unrest. It's a human thing, not just confined to one or two religions/cultures. There's always someone who wants everyone else to live to their dictates, whether religious, economic or idealogic.
In the US we let the politicians yammer on about it while everyone else goes about living their lives, it makes for full time entertainment.
If I didn't go everywhere they claim is dangerous I'd never be able to leave the house, never mind go cruising on a boat. Oh my, isn't that dangerous!?
Like has been said previously, go where you want to, just be prudent and aware of your surroundings, there are many places in my own country I wouldn't go to blindly.
By the way, China has been relaxing the one child policy, it was put in place at a time when their farm production could not keep pace with their population growth, mainly due to government decreed farming prcatices.
Unfortunately an entire generation either had one child or none, the ratio of men to women is out of whack with there being more men than women which creates a strange dynamic with a large number of single men with no hope of ever marrying, mostly in the underclass (poor). Hmmmm....sounds like a breeding ground for unrest.
Ain't no perfect place, they keep putting humans in it and then everything goes to hell. (just joking)

[Alan Mighty]

Originally Posted by boatman61

To the best of my knowledge its working in China.. don't see rioting masses..

Really?!? China as a placid paradise?


The definition of 'riot' is usually made by the authorities.


if we talk about public protests against local governments and Party offices in China, the average number of protests a year in the past decade has been 80,000+. Usually more in summer than in winter.


Add in the number of protests in Taiwan and Hong Kong.


Wikipedia has a page about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protes...ssent_in_China


Al, who has been visiting China since 1978

[Wrong]

Naivette. Ostrich like behaviour. Cast one's fate to the wind. Imprudence. Wanton ignorance. So what? I worked hard to prepare for this, I'm going anyway... Odds are...

On and on.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Alan Mighty

Really?!? China as a placid paradise?


The definition of 'riot' is usually made by the authorities.


if we talk about public protests against local governments and Party offices in China, the average number of protests a year in the past decade has been 80,000+. Usually more in summer than in winter.


Add in the number of protests in Taiwan and Hong Kong.


Wikipedia has a page about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protes...ssent_in_China


Al, who has been visiting China since 1978

They're rioting over the Birth control in Hong Kong... I thought it was peaceful protest against the cutback in promises of Freedom of who they chose to Elect as promised as opposed to the pre-selected Candidates presented by the Party...
Damn... Learn something new every day..
Although I am aware there's a booming Trade for the Middle/Upper classes in flying to the States to have a baby for the US citizenship.. and bypass the law which I believe specifies 'In China'...

[tropicalescape]

Originally Posted by boatman61

To the best of my knowledge its working in China.. don't see rioting masses.. maybe a limit of one boy one girl per couple in their lifetime to replace the couple on the work force..
Gotta maintain the labour pool.. natural selection trims the herd.

"Working in China" : Ask the Uygur (Weegers) of Xinjiang (especially around Urumqi) or the poor souls of Xizang (Tibet) or the fine folks in and around Hohhot.. Ask anyone besides those that are part of the" machinae supreme" in China if things are working and if they are not to frightened to talk I believe you will find out that things are not working for 99.9% of the people...

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by lifeofreilly57

I work a lot in China and have traveled there off and on since the early 90's, they went from complete dictatorship to a socialist hybrid with a capitalist economy, it's still a work in progress but it works for the transition they're going thorugh . The party is still firmly in control and controls the media completely so they have a powerful influence over public opinion which is intentional to keep things calm here and tamp down unrest but they too have had their issues with ethnic unrest. It's a human thing, not just confined to one or two religions/cultures. There's always someone who wants everyone else to live to their dictates, whether religious, economic or idealogic.
In the US we let the politicians yammer on about it while everyone else goes about living their lives, it makes for full time entertainment.
If I didn't go everywhere they claim is dangerous I'd never be able to leave the house, never mind go cruising on a boat. Oh my, isn't that dangerous!?
Like has been said previously, go where you want to, just be prudent and aware of your surroundings, there are many places in my own country I wouldn't go to blindly.
By the way, China has been relaxing the one child policy, it was put in place at a time when their farm production could not keep pace with their population growth, mainly due to government decreed farming prcatices.
Unfortunately an entire generation either had one child or none, the ratio of men to women is out of whack with there being more men than women which creates a strange dynamic with a large number of single men with no hope of ever marrying, mostly in the underclass (poor). Hmmmm....sounds like a breeding ground for unrest.
Ain't no perfect place, they keep putting humans in it and then everything goes to hell. (just joking)

Damn.. that sounds like Nottingham, UK..
In reverse...

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

i was saying this all the time but nobody believed.

med is gone as cruising ground except if you want to get involved. make sure though you have enough cans of tuna on your boat so not to starve.

shame on eu what have they done to med ecologically and now more bad news.

what a plonker

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I'll second that... a senseless tragedy
but lets face it.. when History shows 'terrorism' often leads to Statehood.. your gonna get the wannabe 'Empire Builders..' or 'Freedom Fighters..' depending on your side of the fence..

indeed, perhaps the solution might be to dismantle the nonsense of the sykes -picot agreement that just divided up the ottoman empire to suit the then great powers, get the West out of Middle _Eastern politics and warmongering and I think the situation would arrive at a balance quickly enough

The more we intervene the more we prolong these conflicts

new states will arise from this thats sure