Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 03-07-2008, 10:03   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Shrewsbury
Posts: 1
Sailing from Wales to the Med! !

I have got it into my head that Next year (Aug 2009) i will sail from the Welsh coast down to the med and maybe beyond (im going to take a year or so off work).
I am now in the early planning stages and would like any help/suggestions that anybody can offer, as of yet i don't have a boat (will be buying one in the next 6 months so any suggestions on what i might need will be great).
I am also looking at the route to the med, it has been suggested that i could possibly travel through France on the canals to save going around france/spain/portugal, has anybody done this?
My plan is to stay close to the coast and set anchor each evening, is this possible?
Would i have to get permits to travel or can i sail anywhere i like so long as i don't land?

Would appreciate any tips/hints and advice that people have got to offer.
__________________

__________________
Limey2000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 05:33   #2
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
Hud3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Virginia
Boat: Island Packet 380, now sold
Posts: 8,929
Images: 49
Hello, Limey!

Welcome to the Forum!

Sounds like an adventure in the making! There've been a few discussions here on your topic Try searching with keywords in our handy search engine -- Cruisers & Sailing Forum

There are some nice river and canal maps here:
Canal and River Maps

Good luck!
__________________

__________________
Hud
Hud3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2008, 10:31   #3
Registered User
 
swagman's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Winter land based UK New Forest. Summer months away. Making the transition from sail to power this year - scary stuff.
Boat: Super Van Craft 1320 Power Yacht
Posts: 2,175
Images: 10
Send a message via Skype™ to swagman
Hi Limey,
I've not used the canals myself but think you'll need to draw less than 1.5 metres and have an air height of less than 3.5 plus a width no greater than ??? to get through yourself. Get a book on the subject and check actual needs yourtself.
Yes you'll need paperwork sorted. If you use inland French waterways you need an ICC (get one via RYA in UK) plus a carnet to use the canal network (get one as you enter waterway system in France).
Neither is neeeded if you go around the coast although an ICC might be a sensible qualification to get before you head off.
If you chose to coast hop around Biscay I would not put my faith in an ability to day sail and be assured of a safe anchorage each night - but checking out a pilot book will allow you to judge this for yourself once you know what kind of yacht you're on and how far you feel comfortable to sail in daylight hours.
If you go straight across from UK to N Spain then expect to set aside 3 - 5 days and aim to depart in safest offshore months for Biscay - May or June.
Sounds like you've still got lots to learn so go enjoy soaking it all up and one day getting out there.
Cheers
JOHN
__________________
Don't take life too seriously. No ones going to make it out alive......Go see our blog at http://www.sailblogs.com/member/yachtswagman/
swagman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2008, 16:22   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Mainz, Germany
Boat: looking for a used Oceanis 423
Posts: 7
Hi Limey,

sailing along the French atlantic coast might be nice, but be aware that arriving in say Biarritz you would have to go most of the time from there more or less against prevailing winds all along the Spanish northern coast.

Why not buy a boat which is already within the med as opposed to buy in Wales and take it there through "rough" waters?

Crossing French canals with a larger sailboat ist generally not a good idea because of the deep keels these type of boats usually have.
__________________
Happy sailing, Alfred
sailor0646 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-08-2008, 03:24   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Winters: UK, Southampton. Summers, Greece, Finikounda.
Boat: Oyster 406, 12.3m, RAPAZ
Posts: 39
Hi Limey,

My web site compares most of the cruise areas of Europe. You may find it useful in planning your trip - it should give you a good idea of places to spend time in, and places to skip quickly past. Google 'jimb sail' to find the site . . .

And Sailor, I thought the north Spain coast winds were about 50/50 east/west, with perhaps slightly longer sessions of easterly wind? Certainly, the average currents are east to west, excepting after a long session of westerly winds.

JimB
__________________
JimB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-08-2008, 12:59   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Mainz, Germany
Boat: looking for a used Oceanis 423
Posts: 7
Hi Jim,

I took you comment seriously and checked again here:

Wind & weather statistic / Wind & Wetter Statistik Playa Sardinero/Santander for Kitesurfing, Windsurfing, Surfing and Sailing

It looks like my assumption about a mostly westerly current was not right.
__________________
Happy sailing, Alfred
sailor0646 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-08-2008, 15:59   #7
Registered User
 
freetime's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 685
Images: 2
JimB's sail Europe
__________________
freetime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2008, 03:12   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Winters: UK, Southampton. Summers, Greece, Finikounda.
Boat: Oyster 406, 12.3m, RAPAZ
Posts: 39
Sailor,

What an excellent site for weather stats. I've been using the UK Admiralty pilots when searching for long term stats, but it takes a long time to trawl through all the written data. The graphics on the windstats site are superb, really easy to interpret.

If you have a look at the stats for Methoni, in SW Greece, you can see why I've bought a house there - good windsurfing country!

Oh, and freetime, thanks for posting that link.

JimB
__________________
JimB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2008, 09:47   #9
Registered User
 
Jolly Roger's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Titusville, Florida - for the moment
Boat: Down East 45, Brigantine
Posts: 944
Images: 1
Iíve done the trip from Falmouth to Gibí twice. You need to wait for a Northerly to set in, and we boomed across Biscay in four nights, (42 foot ketch). This was in the days before GPS and we dead reckoned it, taking sights and confirming our position by hailing ships as they passed. It was awesome to see the loom of Finistare within an hour of our predictions.
Once, at twilight I was on watch and suddenly heard a great whooshing noise like an Avon deflating. I looked behind to see a school of porpoises leaping out of the big following seas not twenty feet away. Some of them were fifteen feet long with youngsters as well, and as they leapt out of the crests they seemed to fly the length of the boat. To this day I swear one of them turned and winked at me. Our two daughters who were six and seven at the time still talk about it.
Your first stop should be Vego for a bit of a rest, then there are some superb stop-overs on the Portuguese and Spanish coasts, especially if you like Port and Sherry.
Forget day sailing round Biscay; itís 1500 miles straight line to Gibí, so goodness knows how far it is round the circumference and you will frequently be on a very dangerous lee shore. You canít really day sail/anchor down the Atlantic coast either, because it is very rocky and steep to and notorious for fog. Anyway, by the time youíve made Falmouth down the Irish Sea and round Landís End, then crossed Biscay, you wonít even want to day hop. Hot foot it to Gibí and beyond as fast as you can, (not forgetting the port and sherry stops) for some warm water under your keel and sun on your back. You sure as heck wonít get any in England! But beware! Ours was also meant to be a two year sabbatical, but we finished up staying seven! So donít make too many firm plans.
From what I have heard of the French canals it can be very pretty, but a problem in a small sailboat, because your one engine might be a bit pushed sometimes, but Iíve never done it myself.
__________________
Jolly Roger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2008, 10:17   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Winters: UK, Southampton. Summers, Greece, Finikounda.
Boat: Oyster 406, 12.3m, RAPAZ
Posts: 39
Wow! Jolly roger, you're a galloper, or a voyager!

Personally, I love pottering down the French coast - to as far as La Rochelle, then doing an overnight to the French/Spanish border (or whatever safe port the weather allows one to enter in the conditions). The trip from port to port westwards along the N Spanish coast is then delightfully empty of cruising yachts. This is one of the great un-spoilt cruising grounds, though you do have to select your weather for some legs - just as in the British Channel.

And then the Rias, a wonderful cruising ground, well sheltered, each ria a mini cruise in its own right. I rarely spend less than six weeks getting down to Vigo, usually dropping into at least 20 ports/anchorages en route. But then, I am retired, with no job to rush back to . . .

You'll find a fairly thorough description of the Atlantic Spain cruising grounds on my web site - go to the N Spain detail pages under the Sailing tab. Then you'll see the delights you're missing on your vigourous gallop south!

JimB, Google 'jimb sail' to find the site . . .
__________________
JimB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2008, 10:49   #11
Registered User
 
Jolly Roger's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Titusville, Florida - for the moment
Boat: Down East 45, Brigantine
Posts: 944
Images: 1
Well I don't disagree with that option, if you have time and fair winds, but I've also been stuck in La Coruna for a week (not a pretty site), with a Northerly, the very wind we needed to get south, but daren't risk getting round the corner. I'd much sooner have been stuck in Oporto or Santa Maria, where there is something interesting to do, if you know what I mean? It's surely a question of what you want to achieve in a given time, and if our friend only has two years it could take him six months to make Gib'.
__________________
Jolly Roger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2008, 01:22   #12
Registered User
 
swagman's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Winter land based UK New Forest. Summer months away. Making the transition from sail to power this year - scary stuff.
Boat: Super Van Craft 1320 Power Yacht
Posts: 2,175
Images: 10
Send a message via Skype™ to swagman
We've done UK / Portugual across Biscay twice in May each time - good runs - and much enjoyed the Portuguese Atlantic coastal stopovers once we were over there. My suggestion is not to slide down that coast direct to Gib - theres such a lot of good stuff and as a sailor it would be a shame to miss out visiting places steeped in navigational history.

I too get tempted to do longer runs especially with the winds just right, but know we've missed out on lots by galloping through some regions simply to keep to timetables - and on reflection think we missed out when we've one so.

Most other cruisers we've met who did stop off in the Spanish Rias say we were silly to bypass them on both our voyages.

Hence our probable plans to go down there next summer revisiting Brittany on the way, and then sliding down the French coast to see what they were all raving about.

JOHN
__________________

__________________
Don't take life too seriously. No ones going to make it out alive......Go see our blog at http://www.sailblogs.com/member/yachtswagman/
swagman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
Wales

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Scotland, Wales, Ireland Phantom Corsair Europe & Mediterranean 27 08-05-2013 15:14
Buying, and Sailing, in the Med aquabouy10 Meets & Greets 11 16-04-2010 15:24
Sailing in the Western Med - February rivonia Europe & Mediterranean 17 10-01-2010 09:26
Sailing trough the Med this autumn? pippifax Crew Archives 1 25-08-2008 11:07
sailing in the Med wingover Sailor Logs & Cruising Plans 4 22-08-2007 11:14



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:05.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.