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Old 28-05-2012, 04:03   #1
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Safety Signal Requirements Portugal

Dear all,
We have to re-new the "fireworks" on board of our boat. Does anyone know what the official requirements are on flares, parachutes etc?
Or where we can find such information?
Thanks in advance!
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Old 28-05-2012, 04:41   #2
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Re: Safety signal requirements Portugal

This link is a pretty good guide

Equipment Requirements for Portugal | JimB Sail
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Re: Safety Signal Requirements Portugal

You might find it useful to know that Portugal has no separate Coast Guard. The Portuguese Navy handles those duties, and they are fairly strict.

I did a delivery in Portugal once and every marina/port seemed to have a naval customs and passport processing office.
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Is it a radical assumption to assume that the Portuguese safety equipment requirements only apply if the vessel is flagged in Portugal?
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Re: Safety Signal Requirements Portugal

Thanks. The Portugese authorities (or Portugese Navy) are rather strickt. We learned that people travelling with a liferaft which was slightly overdue, were penalised.
Our safety "firework" is overdue soon, so we need to buy new.
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Thanks Ed, a useful site.
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Is it a radical assumption to assume that the Portuguese safety equipment requirements only apply if the vessel is flagged in Portugal?
Yep, definitely is, dangerous to assume anything.

Just because here may be a legal document somewhere stating otherwise doesn´t mean that on the ground (or water) that is what actually happens. I haven´t been down that way for a while but there have been a lot of reports of increased activity from the various authorities.

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Re: Safety Signal Requirements Portugal

Here is some more info on Portugal's equipment legislation:

http://lagosnavigators.net/button-in...lation.htm.mht

And I do believe that these requirements apply to ALL vessels sailing in Portuguese waters.
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"And I do believe that these requirements apply to ALL vessels sailing in Portuguese waters. "
The first url indicates the Portuguese Navy are being rather reasonable about it: Vessels in transit do not need to comply, as per theusual international understandings they follow their flags. Vessels sojourning, taking out mooring contracts, owned by someone buying land and thus subject to 'resident' status...again, international standards say that if you are "residing"...you may even be required to reflag the vessel.

Heck, there are some US states where you only need to park your butt in-state for 30 days to be considered a resident and citizen of that state.

Not unreasonable at all, from what he says.
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"And I do believe that these requirements apply to ALL vessels sailing in Portuguese waters. "
The first url indicates the Portuguese Navy are being rather reasonable about it: Vessels in transit do not need to comply, .......

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Does the same apply to a yacht in transit through Portuguese waters and how is a yacht in Transit defined. If we are heading down in day sails but do not intend to stay in Portugal for any length of time are we in Transit or not.
How do you explain this to the authorities and would they know the difference?


I am no expert but it was explained to me by the Maritime Police that in Transit means not putting in at any Portuguese Port, so day sailing would not constitute "in Transit"
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Resisdence is a completely seperate (complicated) issue.
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Re: Safety Signal Requirements Portugal

Well, well, some places never change.

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Re: Safety Signal Requirements Portugal

Portugal was always a paperwork and petty rules nightmare and now seems to have got significantly worse as the fiscal position deteriorates . Anyone driving on the A22 will know the mess that as been made of that toll system.

Note that "vessel in transit" generally means a vessel merely going through Portuguese waters without stoping. Vessels visiting ports, anchoring , meandering along the coast are not "vessels in transits" and are subject to local rules. your flag does not make you a "british boat" it merely states your boat is registered in that country. Your boat registration does not convey you or it with diplomatic immunity.

there is also the equivalent to the matrix tax ( called the circulation tax) thats applies after 183 days as well as light dues. ( you should see the stamping and paperwork for 2 euros LOL)

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