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Old 09-03-2016, 09:52   #16
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Re: No more DIY antifouling in EU countries?

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Maybe it's time to put some effort into non chemical means of anti fouling. Ultrasonic is one option which has promise.
Don't expect this to survive the lawmakers any more than current paints with poison. Even though the manufacturers will throw you all kinds of data that says the sound levels are too low for marine life to hear/care, they also say this:

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It has been observed that when mammals approach vessels with USAF running, they will avoid the ship. This is a secondary benefit of an ultrasonic anti-fouling system as it protects mammals (harbor seals, porpoises, etc). - See more at: Ultrasonic Energy and Marine Life | Howell Laboratories
Seems hard to argue that marine mammals can't hear it, and then tell you that marine mammals have been observed to avoid vessels with USAF running.
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Re: No more DIY antifouling in EU countries?

I don't use E-Paint, I use what is sold in my Dutch chandlery. International Micron. I would like to use E-Paint, but the zinc antifouling is activate by sunlight and there ain't that much of that in northern Europe.

As far as sanding before adding a new coating, I am concerned enough about my health to know that ANY dust is not good to breathe. I don't need idiots in Brussels to tell me how to protect my health, what cheese I can eat or that smoking is bad for my health.

The idiots seem to think that they need to make new laws everyday, just to justify their existence and salaries.

The ONLY good thing about the EU is the common currency and open borders. How long is that going to last?
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Old 09-03-2016, 09:59   #18
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Wrap EU babies in bubble wrap at birth. Have EU approved people to change the wrap as they grow. Bury them with bubble wrap intact.

Sadly,the same mentality is encroaching on this side also.
I hold the Brussels Eurotards in as much contempt as anyone but let's not forget who started this ball rolling.

Ralph Nader wasn't it?
California?

Happy to be corrected though, have at it

edit: Also learned today that off grid living is being banned/made illegal over your way
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edit: Also learned today that off grid living is being banned/made illegal over your way
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Just Google it.
There are results from Canada and US.
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Old 09-03-2016, 12:14   #21
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Re: No more DIY antifouling in EU countries?

That movie brought back memories for me, when I sailed with my 4 children , around the World !
Sure , I have reflected , " was I irresponsible ". But I look at them now and feel that the Mate and I did show them how to be responsible !
As for the " Nanny state controls "- perhaps The Donald is the start of the demise of the Socialist experiment ?
Here in Aussie it is still a national sport to work aro' stupid regulations. In fact that is what I told the Magistrate !!
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Re: No more DIY antifouling in EU countries?

Yes. We too are being encumbered with stupid rules. I suspect the next will require Hard hats and Hi-Viz safety vests in order to have a beach volley ball game.

Employers here wanting to take their employees out on a team building exercise are required to ensure their employees have brains and can and will use them. Otherwise the employer is responsible for any mishap that might occur.
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Yes. We too are being encumbered with stupid rules. I suspect the next will require Hard hats and Hi-Viz safety vests in order to have a beach volley ball game.

Employers here wanting to take their employees out on a team building exercise are required to ensure their employees have brains and can and will use them. Otherwise the employer is responsible for any mishap that might occur.
Every government likes to brag about how many jobs it creates. In my 68yrs,the only jobs created by a govt. are more levels of bureaucracy-both public & private(as in privatize).
Ralph Nader & now carbon trading-

The idealistic folks creating these regs. are too many generations away from poverty & the woodpile. They would never survive in the real world outside their office.

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Wrap EU babies in bubble wrap at birth. Have EU approved people to change the wrap as they grow. Bury them with bubble wrap intact.

Sadly,the same mentality is encroaching on this side also.

How did the children in this video ever survive a trip around the Horn?
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That would be child abuse today. The government would take their kids.
That's a rediculous thing to say
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Re: No more DIY antifouling in EU countries?

Perhaps the writing is on the wall and any antifouling paint will be banned world wide. Hopefully the new non-toxic, foul release coating will provide a viable sobstitute, requiring more cleaning and less recoating.
My 50 ft steel cutter has been in the water for 30 years. I apply 3 + coats of spc every 4 years and I scrub the bottom every 2 months or so. The bottom is seldom good enough for racing but it fits my schedule and budget. In general I let the yard applying the bottom paint while I do other work on the boat without getting charged for a lay day.
A good sailor makes do with everything he has to do everything he can.
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Re: No more DIY antifouling in EU countries?

I've read the article in practical Boat Owner. There are 500 million citizens in EU and millions of boats. It's impossible to organize any kind of professional antifouling care for all these boats. I'm not impressed by the magazine and won't renew my subscription either way.
Yes, there's a lot of unnecessary rulings in EU, but don't exaggerate or feed the internet trolls. There's some time left until the referendum about exit of British Empire, so let's keep the breath.
Maybe the common currency and "open" borders were convenient, but the EU was a project on the ruins of two devastating wars and tens of millions of deaths. Because nobody really transcended narrow-minded nationalism and engaged itself into constructing of a more rational and functional EU, our children and grand children will be again pushed into the bloodbaths.
Meanwhile, don't panic and prepare paintbrushes and rollers ... and safety gear
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If it was about safety, they would encourage DIY.

Dollars to donuts, a couple hours exposure once every couple years with poor handling techniques is probably less exposure than continous exposure for months on end with good handling techniques.

They are really just trying to kill off the professionals.
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Thank you agenda 21.
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You can always count on government to work hard to solve problems that aren't problems.
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