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Old 21-06-2012, 09:21   #16
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Re: Med to Caribbean Crossing Dilema - Schengen Problem?

I read through the Schengen deal some time ago and one area that could be used was, Crew returning to a vessel were allowed to re-enter even though there collective time was up......

I talked to Harbour officials here in Sibenik, Primosten and Split and they were all of the attitude of who cares, i realise Croatia isn't in EU yet but they still only legally allow 90 days. One official said "is easy sail out past first island, come back in and tell us you've been in international waters, we only want your money anyway..... Loved it!!!!
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Gibraltar is an option but I have heard that these days its really hard to get a berth. And its expensive.

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Gibraltar is an option but I have heard that these days its really hard to get a berth. And its expensive.

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Reel forward one year for the OP from when we showed up in Gibralter around Sept 2011 giving us good timing to cruise to and spend time exploring the Canaries and then leave for the Caribbean. There were a ton of berths available and the cost was not out of line when compared with many of the other marinas in western Europe. We did not have reservations set up when we arrived. I wouldn't expect much difference in Sept of 2012.
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Old 21-06-2012, 11:49   #19
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Re: Med to Caribbean Crossing Dilema - Schengen Problem?

We just enquired for Malta for winter essentially were told a stern to may be available and if someone gets hauled out for winter we could possibly have their berth, We enquired about October2012 till Feb2013 planning on ARC 2013.....

Probably similar story most places so Morrocco may be better?
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Re: Med to Caribbean Crossing Dilema - Schengen Problem?

Lebanon? Israel?

There are some Spanish city states in North Africa, do they still work or probably too expensive now.

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I wouldn't worry too much about schengen overstays in the canaries, also remember technically time at sea is not counted in the 90 days.

The main issue with overstays is if you ever need to fly out. Leaving or arriving by yacht generally you will not get caught. Portugal is a pain though. Remember for non EU you have go looking for customs and immigration. You can't clear in at soley the marina office unless it has facilities.

Yes Arrecliffe is a dump , all the rest are quite nice. For a quite few weeks San Sebastian de la gomera can't be beaten, however all the marinas in the canaries are getting more and more expensive.

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Re: Med to Caribbean Crossing Dilema - Schengen Problem?

Jedi don't know about Lebanon but Israel is definetly a good spot for hopping out from the Schengen countries. Problem is that it would mean sailing off the track these folks want to be on. They are heading north west. Israel is south east.

LakeSuperior, well then it would be worth a try to contact Gibaltar that's for sure.
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How does dual nationality sit, ie 2 passports rotated?
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(...) however all the marinas in the canaries are getting more and more expensive.

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Yes/No

There was a shift in fees structure last year but this related only to government owned marinas. At the same time someone somewhere decided the lights tax WILL be charged everywhere here (earlier it existed but was hardly anywhere applied).

Result:

- 2011 / early 2012 prices in government marinas went up for all boats except if < 8 meter long, or if local,
- 2012 this has been adjusted and the tax as it is interpreted today affects only boats longer than 12 meters, local or foreign,

Private marinas are free to apply the 'new' costs as they please. Most of them simply disregarded the turbulence.

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Re: Med to Caribbean Crossing Dilema - Schengen Problem?

It is always easy for people to make comments, as they have not got YOUR problem. IF you are over the limit of the visa you CAN have the boat inpounded and pay very heavy fines- note the CAN. It is not always applied but can you afford to take the risk. Head for Morroco and be safe.

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It is always easy for people to make comments, as they have not got YOUR problem. IF you are over the limit of the visa you CAN have the boat inpounded and pay very heavy fines- note the CAN. It is not always applied but can you afford to take the risk. Head for Morroco and be safe.

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Re: Med to Caribbean Crossing Dilema - Schengen Problem?

If you are not on a schedule, I would seriously look at Lebanon and Israel. Heard lots of good stories, especially about Lebanon.

I would even look into passing through the Bosporus and a whole new sea at the other side

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Re: Med to Caribbean Crossing Dilema - Schengen Problem?

Two more pieces of news on transiting via Canary Islands:

- existing regulations are NOT strictly adhered to; however, should a boat require a zarpe, the skipper will get theirs from the administration - thus exposing the whole story of what flag the boat flies, what passports the crew are and how much time has been spent in Canary Islands,

- correcting to what I said earlier: prices WILL go up, if a bit - new VAT becomes applicable next month, NEW read higher,

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Re: Med to Caribbean Crossing Dilema - Schengen Problem?

The Syrians have just shot down a Turkish fighter plane - so events in that part of the world (Eastern Med) might start "warming up". And stuff happening in that part of the world don't usually stick to the lines on maps.........

But probably means could be some cheap deals around!
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The Syrians have just shot down a Turkish fighter plane - so events in that part of the world (Eastern Med) might start "warming up". And stuff happening in that part of the world don't usually stick to the lines on maps.........

But probably means could be some cheap deals around!
Or at the very least a Turkey Shoot.......
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