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Old 13-10-2010, 13:50   #16
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[QUOTE=goboatingnow;539899]most countries dont even check, why did they in Portugal.

Goboating... you've got to be joking mate...
You sail a 2001 331 Beneteau you bought in the Caribbean... formerly US flagged into the UK and try to get the VAT sorted and you WILL have fun... Lmao....
On top of that you'll probably end up paying 'Market Value' on it... not whats stated on the Bill of Sale.
It cost$60K and we paid 15% VAT on that with as I said No Fuss...
PS.. this was in 2007
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Ogh I see you were "importing it". You do realise that VAT is due in the country of destination not the first country of arrival in the EU. If you are say a UK resident then its technically due in the UK.

As to good VAT entry places, I found Palma de majorica brilliant.

Also I have imported into teh UK, found customs to be reasonable and merely took the bill of sale value.

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Ogh I see you were "importing it". You do realise that VAT is due in the country of destination not the first country of arrival in the EU. If you are say a UK resident then its technically due in the UK.

As to good VAT entry places, I found Palma de majorica brilliant.

Also I have imported into teh UK, found customs to be reasonable and merely took the bill of sale value.

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Portuguese Residency..... so the Azores suited me just fine....
Bugga technicalities... thats why I use paper charts.... lol
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There are always lots of barneys going on about what you need, the legislation under which it is demanded and whether fines are properly levied. All these regulations are subject to spot checks rather than blanket coverage, and the precise interpretation of the law (which can be very complicated) will be down to the customs officer you meet on the day. We take the view that they are officialdom, we're visitors in their country, usually we don't speak the language and they carry guns so we produce what they ask without challenging the precise legislative underpinning. (We've refused once while being shouted at during an anchorage mass-eviction by a snotty Italian cop in Sardinia.)

Incidentally, do NOT assume that you will not be checked at anchor: you frequently are by customs people in France, Spain and Italy, as well as in marinas.
(i) VAT: you may well get asked for proof at main borders close to a non-EU country. We never have been (we sail an obviously pre-VAT boat but would have to show proof of the vessel having been in the EU on relevant date, which we do carry on board.) VAT is levied by your country of arrival in the EU and VAT rates vary both between countries and over time. (UK VAT goes up to 20% in Jan!)
(ii) Registration - subject of a huge row on another forum but you will be required to produce registration papers by marinas and customs almost all over the EU. Note that there are stories of fines for vessels who are carrying copies of their registration docs rather than the original.
(iii) insurance: customs uninterested but marinas will often (especially in Spain and Portugal) ask for this and in some countries, eg Italy it is a legal requirement that your cert be translated into their language. Many insurance companies here provide these translations for free.
(iv) Cert of Competency: we have never been asked for one (though we carry two ICCs in case). Some US friends of ours were requested to produce one by Italian customs. They don't have one, and were told that they could be fined up to EU3000 for the lack. But the police couldn't be faffed, and obviously reckoned that sailing a 47' boat from California to Elba counted as competence. But it is the law, I believe, that any boat sailing in Italian waters must be skippered by someone who can produce documentary evidence of competence. They are as entitled to demand this as they can expect you to show proof of your ability to drive a car, even if your country does not require a driving license. So you need something that they will recognise as in date and validated by an acknowledged body. (Doesn't ASA do anything to help with this?)
(v) passports etc - your visa requirements may be much shorter than your VAT holiday. OTOH you may find great difficulty in getting your passport stamped when you enter an EU country by yacht, especially if you have come from another EU country.

I should emphasise that this view is based on practical experience not from a catalogue of legal references or a detailed knowledge of international maritime law. Depends whether you want to argue with cops or go sailing!
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