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Old 14-10-2013, 03:41   #16
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All good info Atoll. Regarding Australian Registration, I doubt Catana or your broker will be arranging this but check with your broker to confirm. It can take some time after handover before you can sail but you can make an effort to make it as fast as possible. Contact AMSA. Inquire about provisional registration (another $1000 or so) Before registration AMSA will require the boat to be marked and all the handover and builders certificates translated from French to English by a certified translator. They will require the originals so this can add 7 days after handover to receiving your official number. After the ON is recieved the vessel needs to be marked as per AMSA regulations. After it is marked AMSA require certification which may be another 7 days express post. Provisional registration may save you 7 days as they will issue the ON so you can arrange marking signage and plates prior to delivery if the manufacturer allows you to do so. Cost of registration is around $1600 from memory. This is going from memory from 2 years ago but contact Peter Baker at AMSA to clarify. Also you will need registration before you can register the ships radio, epirb and AIS. Without registration you will not be able to transmit AIS, but will be able to recieve (assuming you have an AIS transponder)
As the boat will be sailing off Portugal you will need to check the ezuiptment requirements here and make sure all are onboard for the passage.
Equipment Requirements for Portugal | JimB Sail
Also read up on Jims reccomendations on the rest of that site. Lots of great info on sailing the Med and related rules, regulations and laws, schengan etc.
If the trip is 1500 M the amount of fuel used will depend on weather. If you motor 500 M allow about 800 euro. Will Catana be paying all delivery costs to France or just the skippers costs? If not add fuel and marinas for an additional 1500 M.
Marinas that time of year will be 150-200 euro/night for your cat.

this
"Catana yard yet to discuss options but it is difficult to negotiate when you have no idea of what is standard."
and this
" We are very much relying on the boat agent who sold us our girl to act on our behalf, and thus far we are happy "

would be huge concerns for me. Do you mean you have signed a contract to buy but you don't know what is include as standard in the agreed price? And that you don't have an options list with costs of additional options?


BTW it would be worthwhile joining the delivery from La Rochelle. Great place and great sailing from there to the Med! Also you could outfit the boat with safety gear and equipment there.

One other thing, make an expenses spreadsheet and to do checklists if you haven't already, it will make everything a bit less overwhelming.
If you need any other details just ask!

ditto on all the above!
algarve,and south of france marinas really know how to charge!
so going direct from la rochelle with minimal stops till sardinia would save a
considerable amount in fees!
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Old 14-10-2013, 04:25   #17
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Hi there,

Today I sent in the paper work to AMSA to register the boat which was an exciting step so very timely advice. It was handy that the name was still available or my website miss catana and would have been a little silly!

I know nothing of the Portugal requirements so will certainly look into what is needed.
I sometimes feel I know nothing and this is a huge learning curve! I can honestly say CF advice has been vital - cheers.


Re - The boat contract is well and truly secured, we have kept the customization to a minimum as we found the yard prices to be seemingly expenses. We have selected all our boat options and are now trying to source safety gear, dingy and items such as AIS before the boat is moved.Our theory was if it could be easily done later we would do so when we were with the boat and good directly source and negotiate.

Re joining the delivery from La Rochelle unfortunately time is a constraint for us, our departure will now be after the middle of the year so will miss out. We have pushed our departure forward than we first intended but this is always a good thing.

I think the excel spreadsheet idea is a good one and will work on this as a next task at hand.

One more question. What are you thoughts regarding arriving in winter as apposed to going in autumn or early spring.... this is for starting and spending the colder months in Turkey. Marmaris has been recommended to us.

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Re: How Much Should We Pay & Allow Time For?

regarding safety gear etc, contact the la Rochelle outlet of Accastillage Diffusion : ιquipement pour bateaux, plaisance et nautisme
They can supply most gear at competitive prices, plus add a bulk discount as well as do the ex VAT paperwork for you. You can price all the gear online. An epirb should come from Australia so it has the correct HEX ID and MMSI applied.
Speak with Pierre at UCHIMATA SAILING SERVICE - Prparation de bateaux - Entretien - Installation dquipements regarding any electronics, solar etc you want fitted there. He speaks good english and can set up free dockage for a week while they fit equipment. He can supply a competitive ex VAT quote.
Items like AIS may be cheaper from the factory as it is a lot easier to run wires and install during the fit out, also warranty will be easier for any glitches.

Most people like to be in Marinas over winter to run the heaters and security from the weather. Generally the Med season when it becomes nice enough to sail begins in May and ends in October. Nice enough to swim is June to September. Turkey may be a month earlier and a month later. Turkey is becoming more expensive for a berth over Winter. Expect around 4000 euro for 6 months for your boat, compared to 2000 euro in greece.
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One more question. What are you thoughts regarding arriving in winter as apposed to going in autumn or early spring.... this is for starting and spending the colder months in Turkey. Marmaris has been recommended to us."

i had one of my boats for a few years in finike turkey,so talking from experince,
fairly quiet over the winter,and cool 10-15c is about average,there can also be lot's of rain,but not an unpleasant experince,as there are quite a few liveaboards for social interaction,things get cheaper!as no tourists.

the trip there mid winter is another story,as a much higher incidence of easterly head winds and gales,but entirely possible doing short hops with an eye on the weather
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Hi there

I was always under the impression that Turkey was the cheaper of the options to leave your boat. It may be that once show is done if we are not ready to collect boat we might have to look at having her moved to Greece. ....Much to ponder and research.

I am shocked at 150 - 200 euros for a cat per night, Thank goodness I have just got a second job!

Good advice re epirb, and are you saying that the AIS should be done via the Catana yard or done elsewhere?

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Hi "Oh Worldly Ones Full Of Good Advice"

whilst I am seeking the truth I have just got the safety package shopping list from Catana for La Rochelle fit out. Price quoted was 4, 850 euro for the below items. Is anyone able to tell me if this is reasonable, I will off course seek a comparison, and thanks for recommendation in earlier post.

• 1 x Liferaft MP6 Container
• 1 x Life ring complete with support
• 1 x Mirror
• 1 x Flares kit
• 1xFogHorn
• 1 x Fire Blancket
• 6 x Life Jacket storm
• 1 x Offshore 1st aid kit
• 6 x Harness 2 shackles
• 1 x Wooden plugs
• 2 x Buckets + Rope
• 1 x Bailer
• 1 x Hand held compass Iris 50
• 1 x Lead line 30m
• 1 x Logbook
• 1 x International flags + French flag
• 1 x Black ball
• 1 x Black triangle
• 1 x Couverture de survie
• 2 x Hand held torch 12v
• 1 x Wire cutter
• 3 x Extinguishers 1kg
• 1 x Radar reflector
• 1 x Boat Hook Telescopic
• 1 x Bosun ‘s chair confort
• 1 x Compass divider
• 1 x Navigation rules Cras
• 1 x Binoculars waterproof – autofocus


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I was always under the impression that Turkey was the cheaper of the options to leave your boat. It may be that once show is done if we are not ready to collect boat we might have to look at having her moved to Greece. ....Much to ponder and research.

I am shocked at 150 - 200 euros for a cat per night, Thank goodness I have just got a second job!

Good advice re epirb, and are you saying that the AIS should be done via the Catana yard or done elsewhere?

Thanks again

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the western med is definitly more expensive than the eastern med for marinas!
once past italy during high season there are many more free anchorages to choose from,and marinas are a lot more reasonably priced.

turkey over the last few years has had a big influx of boats from croatia,that have left to avoid paying vat,and have upped their prices as the demand for marina space has increased.

there are still a few new marinas in turkey,east of antalya that are offering good deals over the winter,namely girne in n cyprus,and a couple on the mainland.

if living on the boat,greece has lots of places that you could winter at anchor cheaply
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Cheers Alex,

Now it is my time to go horizontal as it is bed time for me.

Thanks your time to respond is greatly appreciated. I look forward to waking up and reading my emails - I know how sad that must sound but this is a truly exciting adventure and we have only just begun

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Hi "Oh Worldly Ones Full Of Good Advice"

whilst I am seeking the truth I have just got the safety package shopping list from Catana for La Rochelle fit out. Price quoted was 4, 850 euro for the below items. Is anyone able to tell me if this is reasonable, I will off course seek a comparison, and thanks for recommendation in earlier post.

• 1 x Liferaft MP6 Container
• 1 x Life ring complete with support
• 1 x Mirror
• 1 x Flares kit
• 1xFogHorn
• 1 x Fire Blancket
• 6 x Life Jacket storm
• 1 x Offshore 1st aid kit
• 6 x Harness 2 shackles
• 1 x Wooden plugs
• 2 x Buckets + Rope
• 1 x Bailer
• 1 x Hand held compass Iris 50
• 1 x Lead line 30m
• 1 x Logbook
• 1 x International flags + French flag
• 1 x Black ball
• 1 x Black triangle
• 1 x Couverture de survie
• 2 x Hand held torch 12v
• 1 x Wire cutter
• 3 x Extinguishers 1kg
• 1 x Radar reflector
• 1 x Boat Hook Telescopic
• 1 x Bosun ‘s chair confort
• 1 x Compass divider
• 1 x Navigation rules Cras
• 1 x Binoculars waterproof – autofocus


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does not seem unreasonable,as the liferaft is about 3000 euros,binoculars,200 flare kit 170,life jackets if self inflating 90 each,first aid kit 120 ,life ring 80.

though quality if it is all plastimo stuff might be an issue! though if you are lucky most of it will never be used!
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Cheers Alex,

Now it is my time to go horizontal as it is bed time for me.

Thanks your time to respond is greatly appreciated. I look forward to waking up and reading my emails - I know how sad that must sound but this is a truly exciting adventure and we have only just begun

Cheers the Miss
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sent you a couple of emails last night with ball park figures......from "sysalamandra"
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  • To be fair to Catana they have agreed to reduction in boat price in exchange for having boat in Turkey for show. (As Turkey is top of my bucket list this is appealing as an official start point)
  • Plus Catana will get back to us with quotes for there delivery captains. I would be very surprised if they don't come to the party on price....but who knows until the offer is made.
  • The boat delivery was included as part of the contract so we are obligated to have boat in Bodrum for beginning of August.
  • Finally Catana are delivering boat from La Rochelle on Atlantic side.
Hope this helps explain a little better

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Thought it must be something along these lines. Seems most reasonable.
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Hi "Oh Worldly Ones Full Of Good Advice"

whilst I am seeking the truth I have just got the safety package shopping list from Catana for La Rochelle fit out. Price quoted was 4, 850 euro for the below items. Is anyone able to tell me if this is reasonable, I will off course seek a comparison, and thanks for recommendation in earlier post.

• 1 x Liferaft MP6 Container
• 1 x Life ring complete with support
• 1 x Mirror
• 1 x Flares kit
• 1xFogHorn
• 1 x Fire Blancket
• 6 x Life Jacket storm
• 1 x Offshore 1st aid kit
• 6 x Harness 2 shackles
• 1 x Wooden plugs
• 2 x Buckets + Rope
• 1 x Bailer
• 1 x Hand held compass Iris 50
• 1 x Lead line 30m
• 1 x Logbook
• 1 x International flags + French flag
• 1 x Black ball
• 1 x Black triangle
• 1 x Couverture de survie
• 2 x Hand held torch 12v
• 1 x Wire cutter
• 3 x Extinguishers 1kg
• 1 x Radar reflector
• 1 x Boat Hook Telescopic
• 1 x Bosun ‘s chair confort
• 1 x Compass divider
• 1 x Navigation rules Cras
• 1 x Binoculars waterproof – autofocus


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Agree with Atoll. This is not unreasonable, depending on the brand and quality.

Figure the life raft will take about half of the cost. For the rest, like binoculars. Are they top of the line Zeis then over 1000 Euros. Brand X could be 100 Euros. Either way, doesn't look like a bad deal.
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I calculated about 3600 euro, with this raft Iso 9650 type I (- de 24h)offshore liferafts Container 4 places PLASTIMO, Offshore rafts - Accastillage Diffusion (the 6 man model)and a 400 euro medical kit. I have no idea what products they are specifying, best to get details.
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If the official handover is in Turkey - all the little problems with the boat can be sorted out by Catana - a delivery that long is bound to show up some problems.
and an experienced delivery skipper will have loads of info to share - for free
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Hi Miss,

atana is manufactured on the Atlanytic cost but normally deliver the boats in Canais which is south of France in the Med.
taking the delivery form Atlantic cost or Canais makes a hell of difference.. Canais, if not in the middle of winter is easy, no need for seaman; just one skipper, your selff and yr husband is OK. Atlantic is a different matter, one skipper (and this time a good one..)+ a seaman would be needed.
Catana 43 is a very solid and pretty fast boat. Most of the time the wind will be aft and if possible a genneaker or a spi will make the passage not only faster but more pleasant..
The cost of deliv ering the boat from Atlantic cost to Turkey is around 7-9.000. This includes all cost of the skipper + two seaman +air tickets, etc.
From Canais the cost would be 4.000-5.000 € with the same conditions.
If you are unexperienced, I would suggest that you hire the skipper at the point of delivery to take over the boat from Catana. An experienced one will also tell you what kind of safety gear and equipment will be needed for the delivery.
As far as the duration of the delivery 10-215 days form the Med is OK unless youı want to enjoy many places on yr way. Atlantic is a different issue and you may have to wait for days until you find 5 days window to make it up to the tip of Spain from La Rochelle.

Get good reference for the skipper; if you fall on the wrong one it will be the hell..The cheapiest may not be the best ..Secondly, pick a skipper definately with an expoerience on cat sailing; that's a different matter..
And if you happen to come to Marmaris and you are in need of berthing just send to me a PM.

Good luck..

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