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Old 20-11-2013, 18:15   #46
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Re: Greek Government To Introduce A Fine To Cruise Greece?

Actually I think the confusion is much more driven by the conflicting official explanations and the local regs being in the local language so you cant work it out for yourself. Im an educated guy and can work between state and federal laws here in Oz no worries, but I can only work with the info im given and when an official in corfu says one thing, another in preveza says the opposite and the bloke in Brindisi something else entirely then thats where the confusion comes from.
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hen an official in corfu says one thing, another in preveza says the opposite and the bloke in Brindisi something else entirely then thats where the confusion comes from.
Yup , very common all over the EU ( and elsewhere in big places like the US) , compounded by the language difficulties , the complexity of the issues, the training they got etc etc. No easy answer
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Old 21-11-2013, 01:43   #48
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I hauled out in Preveza whilst still having the transit log , but subsequently , the paperwork was processed and i am now an official EU boat (Vat paid)
The Depka has made all this a bit easier.
I winter in Cyprus - wonder how long it will take them to do something similar ???

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New tax for foreign yachts based in Greece from 1st January 2014???? - Page 10
New Greek Cruising Tax proposed | CA

QUOTE=yeloya;1395232]First of all, let's bear in mind this law is very unlikely to pass through the parliament and even if so, it won't be applicable. (there are some examples of this)
Yes, the tax has to be collected from boaters but it should be reasonable and we should get some extra service in turn. Do you think with this tax something will improve in Greece for boaters?
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The law was passed yesterday.
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Old 21-11-2013, 09:27   #50
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QUOTE=yeloya;1395232]First of all, let's bear in mind this law is very unlikely to pass through the parliament and even if so, it won't be applicable. (there are some examples of this)
Yes, the tax has to be collected from boaters but it should be reasonable and we should get some extra service in turn. Do you think with this tax something will improve in Greece for boaters?
The law was passed yesterday.[/QUOTE]
The money will go to general revenue to attempt to pay interest owing on the massive spending on now defunct foreshores, unfinished marina's etc etc. Boaters will see no advantages it is simply revenue these people need for the repayments of past political largesse….
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The law was passed yesterday.
The money will go to general revenue to attempt to pay interest owing on the massive spending on now defunct foreshores, unfinished marina's etc etc. Boaters will see no advantages it is simply revenue these people need for the repayments of past political largesse….[/QUOTE]

They're trying to collect taxes from wealthy Greeks, who are notorious for not paying their taxes. Italy has the same problem.

When governments give away benefits, someone has to pay, and it's usually the middle class, upper middle class, and wealthy. You know, the people who generally have boats
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The poor always pay that's the golden rule….

At all levels Greece is a 'cash economy' that's how i found it during the past 6 months. The people have had enough of being rorted by their government and quite frankly the mood i witnessed was a civil revolt isn't far away.

All of this aside the effect for us as cruisers is simply we will pay more to visit Greece.

We will only spend a month prior to leaving whereas we may have spent longer. In the past we contributed to all facets of their economy but make no mistake this fine is to repay borrowings for ridiculous spendings, we saw more unfinished marine areas than finished and it's all deteriorating. The exception is the smaller islands where there remains some pride in their patch.

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The law was passed yesterday.
The money will go to general revenue to attempt to pay interest owing on the massive spending on now defunct foreshores, unfinished marina's etc etc. Boaters will see no advantages it is simply revenue these people need for the repayments of past political largesse….[/QUOTE]

I said unlikely to pass, it did..You still have to show me where and when ever imposed and applied
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can anyone show a link to an accurate report of the actual legislation? im still confused as to whether there will be a step change at 12.01m boat length from 400 euro to 1200 euro....

its a dumb tax but surely its not that dumb????
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IO'm not saying it did i was responding to this post but for some reason when i select "REPLY" it goes to "QUOTE"????

This is the post i was responding to:-

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QUOTE=yeloya;1395232]First of all, let's bear in mind this law is very unlikely to pass through the parliament and even if so, it won't be applicable. (there are some examples of this)
Yes, the tax has to be collected from boaters but it should be reasonable and we should get some extra service in turn. Do you think with this tax something will improve in Greece for boaters?


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20 Million Euros a year!!! Well there ya go!!!
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can anyone show a link to an accurate report of the actual legislation? im still confused as to whether there will be a step change at 12.01m boat length from 400 euro to 1200 euro....

its a dumb tax but surely its not that dumb????
I think you'll find it is! I suspect the reason for the break point is that the vast majority of Greek-owned private vessels are motor boats under 12 metres, who it appears will not have to pay the tax (see extract below)

8. For the purposes of this Article terms used have the following
meaning: a recreational vessel means any vessel length overall
more than seven (7) meters in order for sailing and
more than twelve (12) meters in order for A POWER-
NHTO, which has the possibility of a general v-
manufacture to use to carry travel
recreation.


Also, see the link below for a rough translation of the Article:

http://perivolos.gr/img/e84848120190...ISTHEN_EAS.pdf
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Ref the article 8 you quote. The Cruising Association is getting a better translation, but I suspect we'll find that the higher figure for motorboats is an exception which applies only to commercial boats.
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Quoting and getting are 2 different things. I know of 4 yachts who were turned away from Yat Marin this winter because they are full.

As for the possible (probable) new circulation tax in Greece, it is no big deal. It will cost more for us to cruise Montenegro or Croatia than the new tax in Greece for our boat for 90 days -- actually for 89 days because the Greek authorities advised us in 2011 that if we were still in Greece on the 90th day of our 90-day visas then we would be fined.

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Hi Judy.
Is Yat Marine full in the water only or on the land as well. We are contemplating moving there in July 2014 - depending on the Greek tax situation!

I am waiting for a quote from them
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