Greece votes "NO" - impact on cruisers

[boatman61]

I told you this would happen 3 months ago.

[atoll]

Originally Posted by NornaBiron

Personally I think the Greeks were right to vote no. The austerity measures are hitting the poorest people hardest with no sign of any light at the end of the tunnel.

At least this way there is a chance of a more realistic deal being discussed.

or perhaps they are just a little cog in a much bigger machine........

“The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.”

– Henry Kissinger 1974

[boatman61]

Nice one Atoll..
The failed Empire Builders off the last 50 years..

[SD Sailing]

Does anyone have a view on long term berthing in Greece? I have been trying to decide whether to stay or to leave and just can't come to an answer. I am in London but we are berthed in Kalamata until May 2016 but I am tempted to cut my losses and leave now. Does anyone have a feeling on this? Any advice would be appreciated!

[boatman61]

Contact deepwaterdeliveries....

[Palarran]

I don't know what tomorrow will bring. Yesterday I withdrew a full amount of euro from the ATM and will try again today, just in case. But I have a half tank of diesel and some sails so one way or another, I'll be ok. Today we took kiteboarding lessons on Paros and they processed the charges on my CC with no problem. I do need to do a significant shopping trip for groceries but am confident it will be ok. What I do think is very cool today is that Captain Ram and Barra are the two catamarans anchored directly in front of me. Ram came over last night for a snack and conversation and I've seen Barra kiteboarding over at Naousa. It really doesn't suck right now except we are on day five of a beaufort 6/7 meltemi.

[atoll]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Nice one Atoll..
The failed Empire Builders off the last 50 years..

hardly failed.....Kissinger was at the Bilderburg meetings in 2013,no doubt putting their Realpolitik plans in place.......

I predict Greece will become a "Failed State",conveniently providing a location for the 7 million refugees on its borders from the middle east,creating an eastern buffer against europe's growing migrant problem.

convenient for all concerned in the west...............

[IdoraKeeper]

Atoll is quite correct in quoting Mr Kiss..I would refer all readers to his (Mr Kiss) party affiliation. Further I would refer them to the most commonly referenced definition of insanity.
No doubt, the dislocation caused by Grexit will be troublesome to cruisers trying to purchase goods and services. Let us hope that the country remains safe from violence as this plays out.

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by SD Sailing

Does anyone have a view on long term berthing in Greece? I have been trying to decide whether to stay or to leave and just can't come to an answer. I am in London but we are berthed in Kalamata until May 2016 but I am tempted to cut my losses and leave now. Does anyone have a feeling on this? Any advice would be appreciated!

Just keep an eye on the news and have a way to fetch your boat if it becomes necessary.

[valhalla360]

Setting aside, the pain of the locals for the moment...for a cruiser:
- Short term expect messy with a lot of uncertainty and a great excuse to apply the mannana culture (greek equivilent of course) to anything you need done particularly if it requires importing goods.
- Long term it could be a great boost for cruisers. With effective wages and property values down, I would expect costs for labor and storage to drop. I would be suprised if it happens but leaving the schengen and EU VAT rules behind could really draw in the cruisers. The biggest issue I see is potential overcrowding of cruisers.

With the new boat currently in Spain, we will watch the developments closely to see if we point towards Greece or go up into the French canal system.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by atoll

hardly failed.....Kissinger was at the Bilderburg meetings in 2013,no doubt putting their Realpolitik plans in place.......

I predict Greece will become a "Failed State",conveniently providing a location for the 7 million refugees on its borders from the middle east,creating an eastern buffer against europe's growing migrant problem.

convenient for all concerned in the west...............

Not Failed yet..
Russia will bail them out in exchange for bases for their fleets in the Med..
Negotiations now 2 months old.

[weavis]

YOur both wrong.

I will save up and buy Greece.
Turn it into a cruising paradise for Multihulls only......

ha!

That'll teach....er .. somebody....

[more]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Not Failed yet..
Russia will bail them out in exchange for bases for their fleets in the Med..
Negotiations now 2 months old.

Greek is in NATO and Army is separate from goverment. before greek army go in street.Greek army are prepared for street battles whit logistic help US army.1967 Civil liberties were suppressed, special military courts were established, and political parties were dissolved.
Several thousand suspected communists and political opponents were imprisoned or exiled to remote Greek islands.
after 1967 everybody pay tax,corruption 0%,you pay caffe and receive bill.what I had heard a military junta is tolerance if you get caught without one bill and if you get caught again confiscated the house and the owner went to a remote island in an open prison.

[jim_thomsen]

Today I was still able to get my maximum amount from an ATM in Poros.

I talked with a couple of local people and while they are worried they both said that things have been really hard the past few years, so even if it gets harder maybe it will be better for their children.

[lordgeoff]

Originally Posted by hoppy

I'm in Corfu and ordered a new Harken roller a bit more than a week ago, before the referendum was announced. In typical Greek fashion things did not happen quickly and it was not until after the referendum was announced that the actual order made it to Harken in Athens. Supposedly it was in stock there, but since late last week we've been waiting with no real idea as to what's happening with the transport company. The situation has not been helped by Harken Athens seemingly closing down late in the week, so no one has been answering.

The company in Corfu who placed the order is going to the transport depot this morning to see if it arrived.

I'm close to cancelling the order and put the mast back up without the new roller, but i found out the riggers forgot to order the plastic endcaps for the spreaders. Something more to wait for from Athens

So looks like everything continues as normal in Greece?