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Old 09-03-2010, 05:32   #1
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Best Places in the Mediterranean Sea

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We’re going to be in Mediterranean Sea this summer leaving Norfolk usa in July. At the next autumn we plan to leave the boat there on dry for 6 or 7 mounts and going back to Canada, in fact we plan to stay in Mediterranean for 2 or 3 years,sailing during the summer time and leaving the boat on dry for the winter.
We were thinking leaving the boat in Turkey were we heard that we could have a marina with all the services including a Travel lift to park the boat, all that at a very competitive price with security.
Is anyone could inform us about these marinas, giving us their names and web links if possible.
If some cruisers also knows about other country in Mediterranean Sea that have the same advantages (cheap, security, useful) this would be greatly appreciated to get information’s.
Thank you very much.
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Hi Zorba,
If best value is what you seek suggest try Koz - Greek Island off Turkey. Good faciliteis afoat or ashore and at last check, lower costs than anything on Turkish mainland that far west.
If you really do want Turkey - suggest you try Alanya which is further east on Med coast. Run by Hassan who set up several other marians in years past - an expert of providing what ex-pats seem to require. New marinas ALWAYS provide discounts to attract boats.
You'll need to google both to get contact details - but comms with both in English is fine.
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Old 10-03-2010, 03:32   #3
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Hello Zorba,
Turhey is a wonderfull country and nearby you have an infinity of greek islands more interesting each other... So welcome in this aerea.
You have so many marinas along the thousands of kilometers of Turkey's coasts from Istanbul to Alanya that it is very difficult to answer to your question. The best I thing is to buy the Imray Pilot (Imray nautical charts and nautical books from Imray, Admiralty Charts and pilots for sailing navigation from Imray, Laurie, Norie & Wilson Ltd www.imray.com) for Turkey and Aegean sea in order to build a first idea by yourself and then ask again a more detailed question. But you can notice that you will have the choice !
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One caveat about the above: the Greeks and Turks don't like each other very much, and the Greeks make clearance into Greece for yachts coming from Turkey into a rather pain in the a**. So if your goal is to cruise the Greek islands, you will prefer to be based in a Greek port not to have to clear in and out of customs all the time.

Turkey is, in my experience, friendlier and cheaper while at the same time somewhat cleaner and more civilized than Greece (sorry if I have offended any Greeks), at least Western Turkey. There are a multitude of great, modern marinas at incredibly cheap prices. A bonus is that you get excellent quality repairs and boatyard services at half or less than the cost in Western Europe. A great place to overwinter, I think. Just one example is Yalikavak, on the northern shore of the Bodrum peninsula, near the Bodrum international airport and an easy drive to Bodrum proper.

Cruising grounds on the Turkish Aegean coast are excellent, although Greece may be better in that respect. Greece did end up with most of the Aegean islands when the country was partitioned after WWI.

Another good place to overwinter is just at the opposite end of the Med, at Miramar in Spain. This is probably the warmest spot on the Northern coast of the Med, so popular for liveaboards to overwinter. You can sail pretty much year round there. Cheap compared to other place in the Western Med, but more expensive than Turkey.
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You will have sailed passed some great sailing areas in NW Europe if you do. Why not cross and visit Ireland and Scotland in the summer, Autumn down to Southern England / NW France and leave the boat there for the winter. Next Spring down to Gib and the Med.

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Have to concur with Pete7 - it's a long way to come to rush past all of western europe when you get here.

There are facilities to haul out and leave the boat securely in many many places; it really is a question of cost. Your calculation also needs to include the cost of getting from airports to your boat - train/ferries/cars etc. Also whether you want to live on the boat on the hard (not always allowed) and/or you want the boat yard to do work for you before your return. Thus although Southern France is generally a dear place for boat storage, there are cheaper places which offer a good leaping off point for this lovely cruising area. Or there is Malta which is not as cheap as Turkey but excellent facilities (I hope) and English spoken everywhere.

You seemed to be thinking of Turkey as the parking space; it might be more fun to choose the places you want to see than enquire more specifically about boatyards once you've chosen the summer cruising area.
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hi Zorba

id be prepaired to haggle in greece,their economy is going down the toilet as the tourists have decided that it it too expensive.I was in Santorini last year and a lot of goods were twice the price of the UK and they were wondering why the bars were empty at night,$20.00 yup 20.00 dollars for a pint of Guiness is taking the P***.

A lot of the greek islands are beautifull,Santorini is arguable the most pretty,Corfu is a nightclub mecca for teenagers,KOS the last time that i was there is a lot quieter.

Turkey is the more popular place for long stays,the country has a wealth of history,real old stuff,dont leave your ladys alone as the Turks will pester them.
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In fact, it is very easy now to sail from Turkey to Greece and vice versa. We have been doing this for 5 years. And except in Lesbos ans Kos (because of clandestine immigration problems) we have never seen customs on the greek side. In Turkey the marina will manage to deliver a "transit log" to you. It will be valid for 1 year. And we never had control on the Turkish side. So you can be one day in the wondrfull Symi island (Greece) and the day after in Marmaris (Turkey) without any control.
This is for me the major reason to leave the boat in Turkey where you will have high quality service and very kind and professionnal people for everything a yacht could need.
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Thanks for your answer its appreciated.
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Definitely NOT the ports on the S side of Spain - which are either very low specs or very overpriced.

But visiting Cadiz is a good idea, (if you like old towns, etc.) - the town is very interesting and you have a choice of 5 or 6 marinas nearby (also 1 in Cadiz proper). A good take off point to wait for a good moment to go thru the Gibraltar Strait too.

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Hi all
We’re going to be in Mediterranean Sea this summer leaving Norfolk usa in July. At the next autumn we plan to leave the boat there on dry for 6 or 7 mounts and going back to Canada, in fact we plan to stay in Mediterranean for 2 or 3 years,sailing during the summer time and leaving the boat on dry for the winter.
We were thinking leaving the boat in Turkey were we heard that we could have a marina with all the services including a Travel lift to park the boat, all that at a very competitive price with security.
Is anyone could inform us about these marinas, giving us their names and web links if possible.
If some cruisers also knows about other country in Mediterranean Sea that have the same advantages (cheap, security, useful) this would be greatly appreciated to get information’s.
Thank you very much.
Zorba , with a handle like yours it is your destiny to come and cruise the Greek Islands !
when you have had enough of Italy sail due west and visit the beautiful Islands of the Ionian of which Kefalonia is the most handsome ! Argostoli is a clearing in port for Greece and a very pretty cosmopolitan town and cheap to moor in . , if you want a hand tying up call me ! gramos
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Zorba , if you want a good read on sailing the Greek Islands , read the blog of SALARN . com ,Arnie and Sallys adventure on their Antares cat , its excellent , Gramos
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I agree with Gramos : Ionian islands are very beautifull too. Mostly at the begining of spring or in autumn because in high season there are hundreds of renting (hired ?) boats and the best spots are crowded.
So it is possible to stay one year for sailing in the adriatic side (why not till Venice ?) and the year after (by Korinthos canal) go to the Aegean side for ... years !
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IMHO there is no common BEST place in the MED, every place (country) has its advantages and disadvantages.
Everybody has to find his personal best place by himself.
We should rather discuss the characteristics of the different places.

Eg Greece: Almost no harbour fees, however food is is much more expensive than in many other countries, dirt almost everywhere (Greek people are not sensitive for the environment), very few marinas, very nice people, good sailing area, the national Greek cuisine is not our taste, great culture.

Italy: very expensive harbours, food less expensive than in Greece, boring coast line on the mainland, some places very unsafe (robberies, thieves), dirty in some places (specially in the south), charming Venice area

All not complete, but some suggestions only.
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Since my heart lies with the French Cote D'Azure. I would reccomend it. Yes the berthing is more expensive, though some very good deals are available in the winter. ( all with unlimted electricity and cable TV on the dock) The marinas are first class, clean and well maintained. In the alpes-Maritme area, ( Nice, Cannes etc) there is plentiful cheap ( Fixed 1 euro fare) bus service, easy access to the coastal train service, food is of course the best on the planet as are the ingrediants, you can pop to Italy for teh markets and cheap booze and there is a huge amount of culture and arts and festivals etc. Good cheap connections to rest of europe, easy access to other capitals.

Its not all about the cheapest berth IMHO

Some good deals around Toulon, though the Rade is a bit commercial

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